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Post Traumatic Stress is the body’s natural response to critical life incidents, affecting each of us to varying degrees and in different ways physically, emotionally, cognitively, and spiritually. Within the VA, PTS is generally ranked by severity somewhere between one and ten. Anyone who has survived a fire, flood, hurricane, tornado, shipwreck, rape, or any sort of life-threatening incident never forgets what happened. PTS is our reaction to traumatic or unpleasant incidents or chapters of our lives. Symptoms include nightmares, flashbacks, loss of sleep, irritability, short temperedness, loss of concentration, hostility, weight gain, loss of self-worth, anxiety, and survivor's guilt.
During the post-Vietnam War period when the term Post Traumatic Stress Disorder replaced the old school WWI term “shell-shock” and the WWII term “battle-fatigue.” The VA tends to take a clinical approach to Post Traumatic Stress and continues to call it a disorder (PTSD). PTS is not a disorder in my opinion, but a natural response to trauma we experience. Most veterans agree that there is a negative connotation to calling this reaction a disorder - it suggests there is something wrong with them. Truthfully, what we are responding to is natural. Post Trauma Stress should be universally considered an injury (PTSI) rather than a disorder. Sometimes people never fully recover, but that doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with them. Just like any other injury, even if it’s not possible to get back to 100%, there are many methods to get people back to living a mostly normal life.
Although I’m a non-combat Vietnam era vet, I have many friends who saw combat in that war or are combat veterans of the conflicts in the Middle East. They all returned home wanting to put the experience behind them and, with only a few exceptions, most are not comfortable talking about their experiences. Many returned home with a newfound addiction to drugs and/or alcohol. Generally they received little help from anyone, including the VA.
Over the course of time, and many cups of coffee, a good friend of mine provided me some insight and understanding of PTSI, based on his own experience and what he has learned about himself as a Vietnam Army Combat Veteran. His wife encouraged him to write down his experiences while in Vietnam, and the result was a piece called, “Through My Eyes” chronicling his tour of duty in Vietnam 1968 - 1969. It was the beginning of his recovery process from PTSI. He has attended a number of Veterans’ Camp gatherings as both a participant and advisor. Though he still suffers from PTSI, Bob has learned coping mechanisms to deal with it, and over the past 45 years he has come a long way.
Through our discussions, I learned that many veterans didn’t realize what effect combat had on them until they returned home. It was at home that my friend began to realize that simply getting a good night’s sleep would be a blessing. His attitude and conversations had changed considerably after the war, along with his level of impatience. Most combat vets are hesitant to talk about what happened to them, or read war stories, or watch certain movies because they do not want to reignite memories.
I could never fully comprehend the anguish and fear my friend experienced as a combat Vietnam vet, but I can understand the flashbacks. My own experience with PTS is based on my 32-year marriage to a woman with PTS. Even after 50 years, she still struggles with memories of rape, a car accident, and the loss of our 8-year-old daughter. My friend told me that while he could not comprehend what we went through losing a child, he appreciated knowing how I dealt with it. Many of us agreed that we share a common healer in Jesus, even though most people at a Vet Camp would not appreciate a dialogue that included a lot of Jesus talk.
My friend also discovered that spouses of combat veterans can play an important role in successfully addressing PTS. At one family Vet Camp, he shared his experience speaking with just the spouses. He talked about the emotions, concerns, and fears that their partners would not share with them. They were very appreciative of his willingness to open up and give them a better understanding of the issues their loved ones may be dealing with.
Today we have many combat Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who struggle with similar flashbacks and stress-related issues when they return home and strive to melt back into civilian life. However, PTS also affects our men and women within our community support systems, such as police officers and firefighters, and is recognized as being a key factor in the health and stability of these organizations.
At home, and on any given day, at least 22 veterans take their own lives, typically due to PTS. However this past summer, the Department of Veterans Affairs indicated this number is now closer to 20 veterans committing suicide every day. I personally believe that the most recent statistics on these suicides likely do not consider vets suffering from PTS, who in the past overdosed on drugs or and/or alcohol. Though the exact figures are unknown, any number of military personnel taking their own lives is unacceptable, it is too many.
The universal goal among veterans advocacy groups is to dramatically reduce that number by working with our vets by giving them the knowledge, tools, and resources to understand what PTS is and how to cope with it. Veterans’ Camp, or veteran gatherings, have proven to be a successful means to begin a dialogue.
Nearly all vets with PTS have trust issues to varying degrees. Even amongst themselves, vets may not open up or even realize that their suffering can be helped. The purpose of Vet Camps is to provide a safe place where vets can meet other vets with PTS while learning how best to cope with it. At these camps, we talk about issues that cause them concern, such as a lack of support from the VA. Many others open up about the ugliness of war and the loss of their comrades and friends. Occasionally, discussions revolve around similar topics to what is discussed here on RallyPoint: what our government expects of our military, such as rules of engagement and intelligence failures, and the overall effectiveness of our armed forces.
If you or anyone you know may be suffering from PTS, just remember that it is not a disorder, but an injury, and there are thousands of vets like you who would love to help out.
During the post-Vietnam War period when the term Post Traumatic Stress Disorder replaced the old school WWI term “shell-shock” and the WWII term “battle-fatigue.” The VA tends to take a clinical approach to Post Traumatic Stress and continues to call it a disorder (PTSD). PTS is not a disorder in my opinion, but a natural response to trauma we experience. Most veterans agree that there is a negative connotation to calling this reaction a disorder - it suggests there is something wrong with them. Truthfully, what we are responding to is natural. Post Trauma Stress should be universally considered an injury (PTSI) rather than a disorder. Sometimes people never fully recover, but that doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with them. Just like any other injury, even if it’s not possible to get back to 100%, there are many methods to get people back to living a mostly normal life.
Although I’m a non-combat Vietnam era vet, I have many friends who saw combat in that war or are combat veterans of the conflicts in the Middle East. They all returned home wanting to put the experience behind them and, with only a few exceptions, most are not comfortable talking about their experiences. Many returned home with a newfound addiction to drugs and/or alcohol. Generally they received little help from anyone, including the VA.
Over the course of time, and many cups of coffee, a good friend of mine provided me some insight and understanding of PTSI, based on his own experience and what he has learned about himself as a Vietnam Army Combat Veteran. His wife encouraged him to write down his experiences while in Vietnam, and the result was a piece called, “Through My Eyes” chronicling his tour of duty in Vietnam 1968 - 1969. It was the beginning of his recovery process from PTSI. He has attended a number of Veterans’ Camp gatherings as both a participant and advisor. Though he still suffers from PTSI, Bob has learned coping mechanisms to deal with it, and over the past 45 years he has come a long way.
Through our discussions, I learned that many veterans didn’t realize what effect combat had on them until they returned home. It was at home that my friend began to realize that simply getting a good night’s sleep would be a blessing. His attitude and conversations had changed considerably after the war, along with his level of impatience. Most combat vets are hesitant to talk about what happened to them, or read war stories, or watch certain movies because they do not want to reignite memories.
I could never fully comprehend the anguish and fear my friend experienced as a combat Vietnam vet, but I can understand the flashbacks. My own experience with PTS is based on my 32-year marriage to a woman with PTS. Even after 50 years, she still struggles with memories of rape, a car accident, and the loss of our 8-year-old daughter. My friend told me that while he could not comprehend what we went through losing a child, he appreciated knowing how I dealt with it. Many of us agreed that we share a common healer in Jesus, even though most people at a Vet Camp would not appreciate a dialogue that included a lot of Jesus talk.
My friend also discovered that spouses of combat veterans can play an important role in successfully addressing PTS. At one family Vet Camp, he shared his experience speaking with just the spouses. He talked about the emotions, concerns, and fears that their partners would not share with them. They were very appreciative of his willingness to open up and give them a better understanding of the issues their loved ones may be dealing with.
Today we have many combat Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who struggle with similar flashbacks and stress-related issues when they return home and strive to melt back into civilian life. However, PTS also affects our men and women within our community support systems, such as police officers and firefighters, and is recognized as being a key factor in the health and stability of these organizations.
At home, and on any given day, at least 22 veterans take their own lives, typically due to PTS. However this past summer, the Department of Veterans Affairs indicated this number is now closer to 20 veterans committing suicide every day. I personally believe that the most recent statistics on these suicides likely do not consider vets suffering from PTS, who in the past overdosed on drugs or and/or alcohol. Though the exact figures are unknown, any number of military personnel taking their own lives is unacceptable, it is too many.
The universal goal among veterans advocacy groups is to dramatically reduce that number by working with our vets by giving them the knowledge, tools, and resources to understand what PTS is and how to cope with it. Veterans’ Camp, or veteran gatherings, have proven to be a successful means to begin a dialogue.
Nearly all vets with PTS have trust issues to varying degrees. Even amongst themselves, vets may not open up or even realize that their suffering can be helped. The purpose of Vet Camps is to provide a safe place where vets can meet other vets with PTS while learning how best to cope with it. At these camps, we talk about issues that cause them concern, such as a lack of support from the VA. Many others open up about the ugliness of war and the loss of their comrades and friends. Occasionally, discussions revolve around similar topics to what is discussed here on RallyPoint: what our government expects of our military, such as rules of engagement and intelligence failures, and the overall effectiveness of our armed forces.
If you or anyone you know may be suffering from PTS, just remember that it is not a disorder, but an injury, and there are thousands of vets like you who would love to help out.
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Thanks for this post Gerry. I recently got connected with the VA and am seeking help in dealing with many, many life threatening events in my past as well as many traumatic events involving having to recover many bodies. I didn't recognize the impact that these events have had on my life. I'm thankful for the VA's resources at my disposal.
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PO2 Gerry Tandberg
You are more than welcome Chief. Many whom I spoken with find comfort/relief in just talking with others who struggle with PTS.
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I am 65 years old with PTSD military related and I really liked your article.In 1971 in basic training I was knocked unconscious by a pound of C-4 explosion and it only lasted seconds my hearing has suffered since,tinnitus and hearing loss.I thought I could hide this in my sub concise but it resurfaced 2years ago when I almost got into a accident with my motorcycle.I really didn't know who to talk to but I brought this to my AA group meeting as I am a recovering alcoholic with 14 years sobriety.The first six months dealing with this was reall tough,loss of sleep,anxiety,couldn't think straight,nervousness flashbacks.Are there any recommendations that you could make to help me cope with PTSI.
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PO2 Gerry Tandberg
George, a lot of thing were really driven home for me after reading “On Killing” by LtCol David Grossman. He covers a lot of instances that might throw us into a PTS scenario, and provides helpful ways we can start dealing with it.
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Well, I wouldn't be able to totally agree with everything you said although I thank you for saying it. I, myself, have ptsd. I got it before I ever entered the service. I would suggest there is probably pts, ptsi. And ptsd. Yes, mine is definitely a disorder. In my case. I had an experience that was so horrific that my conscious mind actually shut down and my subconscious took over during which period of time I had no knowledge of what happened or of any of my surroundings and also my body did many things of which I had absolutely no control or knowledge until I could see again. In that short amount of time, the synapses in my brain were forever rewired. After that event there were several follow up events. I struggled the rest of my life with it but never had any treatments. At that time ptsd wasn't even heard of. It has cost me jobs, promotions, and relationships my entire life. Finally, there has been recognition of and much work toward understanding and helping people with this disorder. I do agree there are many cases of pts but please don't shut this door and say there is no such thing as ptsd.
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PO2 Gerry Tandberg
Mike,
For the most part I was addressing what I'd learned about Post Traumatic Stress to help other who live under the stigma that their experience(s) that caused the trauma and resulting behavioral repercussions are not only understandable, but should not necessarily be classified as a disorder. Therefore, what is it?
Webster defines disorder as: "to disturb the order of, and/or to disturb the regular or normal functions of." How about if we say the disorder is caused by an injury. In the case to our emotions. Many diagnosed with PTSD with resulting behavioral symptoms believe disorder suggest there is something un-naturally wrongs with them.
Two months ago my sister slipped and fell dislocating her ankle and breaking it in three places. No doubt, there was something physically wrong with her as her ankle was now positioned 90 degrees from where it should have been. I witnessed the episode and rendered first aid while another called an ambulance. As a result she also suffered a great deal of stress and pain. My sister; also a nurse, would describe this as an injury and not a disorder. An injury is something we generally can overcome, however we often will live with the scars and lasting memories. Recovery for her will likely take a year and a lifetime of favoring that ankle. Regardless, I understand what you've expressed and pray that you can use your experience to help others.
For the most part I was addressing what I'd learned about Post Traumatic Stress to help other who live under the stigma that their experience(s) that caused the trauma and resulting behavioral repercussions are not only understandable, but should not necessarily be classified as a disorder. Therefore, what is it?
Webster defines disorder as: "to disturb the order of, and/or to disturb the regular or normal functions of." How about if we say the disorder is caused by an injury. In the case to our emotions. Many diagnosed with PTSD with resulting behavioral symptoms believe disorder suggest there is something un-naturally wrongs with them.
Two months ago my sister slipped and fell dislocating her ankle and breaking it in three places. No doubt, there was something physically wrong with her as her ankle was now positioned 90 degrees from where it should have been. I witnessed the episode and rendered first aid while another called an ambulance. As a result she also suffered a great deal of stress and pain. My sister; also a nurse, would describe this as an injury and not a disorder. An injury is something we generally can overcome, however we often will live with the scars and lasting memories. Recovery for her will likely take a year and a lifetime of favoring that ankle. Regardless, I understand what you've expressed and pray that you can use your experience to help others.
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SN Mike Holcomb
I agree that with the ankle it would be correct in calling it an injury. If she would have had to have her entire leg removed then she would have a disorder resulting from an injury. She could have learned to live with her disorder, missing leg, but it would never heal. There are many degrees, causes, and results from pts/ptsd. I can completely agree that some are, or should be, classified as pts however I also know there is such a thing as ptsd and you have to learn to live with it as it will never heal. Ptsd is an actual rewiring of the brain and would be virtually impossible to change. The danger in not recognizing and acknowledging the difference is substantial. If you told someone with a missing leg that they could heal and have their leg back they would have hope and strive for that goal. If they were unsuccessful, they would give up hope and blame themselves and end up suicidal. If you told them there was no cure but you could help them to learn to live with it then they could indeed ultimately conquer it and learn to live with it and not become suicidal. No problem can be conquered without first acknowledge and identifying the true problem.
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PO2 Gerry Tandberg
SN Mike Holcomb - I understand your position. I'm not in complete agreement because we are each entitled to a valid opinion. Whether we disagree over PTS as being an injury or disorder is an exercise in semantics. I wrote "What I Learned about Post Traumatic Stress" from a layman perspective after reading several book on the subject, attending seminars on the, working with Veterans with PTS, spending time discussing the circumstances of those who are diagnosed with PTS, and of course I'm married to a woman with PTS. If we go back to using a leg/foot injury; I would consider an amputation of a leg due to injury just that. However, if my sister had been born with deformed leg that could be considered a disorder. However, if she had that leg amputated then I would consider that an injury due to a disorder/defect. Semantics is a waste of time and energy with no defined right or wrong. There is a preponderance of people much smarter than I who consider PTS to be an injury. In addition, the vast majority of Combat Veterans responding appreciated hearing PTS should be defined as an Injury.
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PV2 Glen Lewis
I have a friend who was fine for several years after coming back from Vietnam and then all of a sudden he started having night sweats and he'd even wake up screaming sometimes. So yes, I'd say it can. BTW: he's better now but he had to go to therapy that he paid for himself. The VA and Army didn't help him.
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SFC Don Vance
Yes PO2 Scott Phoenix it can. A member of my church who is a WWII Veteran didn't have issues until six months after his wife died and he was 81 years old. She was his rock and kept him grounded for almost 60 years.
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PO2 Scott Phoenix
Thank you. This helps me to know that I am not imagining this. I feel a little ashamed that I feel this way because there are many more Vets out there that went more than what I did. Thank You again for you feedback
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Your story really resonates. Spirituality, forgiveness, and connection are important. Our organization, Heroes to Heroes, takes Veterans from all conflicts to Israel for spiritual healing and peer support. The teams experience their faiths (about 90% Christians) by visiting places such as Bethlehem, Stations of the Cross, The Western Wall, Nazareth, the Galilee, etc. It's a chance to reconnect with a Higher Being, Jesus, and one another. 131 Veterans have gone on the program and the results are remarkable. We are sending an additional 40 Veterans this Fall. Only costs are travel to the NYC area to meet the flight, Passport, and lunches while in Israel for the 10 days. This is an alcohol and drug-free program. Any interested Veterans can apply on our site at http://www.heroestoheroes.org
These trips allow for deep emotional bonding with other American veterans suffering with many of the same issues as well as with Israeli veterans suffering in the same way.
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Like the author I am a Nam era non-combat vet, I didn't having any understanding of PTS until I had a head-on collision in '04, my brother-in-law who was a Nam vet tried to tell me it would change me but I didn't believe him until I returned to college that fall. Since then I have talked more and more with fellow vets who were in combat and am just starting to understand how debilitating this injury is in their lives. I pray for all of you who suffer this injury, may Jesus keep you in His loving arms.
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Disorder or injury who the fuck cares. I'm 71 years old, a grouind combat marine, and haven't had a nights sleep of over 3 hours in 47 years. I'm 300# sleep alone because I thrash the bed at night, there's always someone after me in my dreams. I have a little resentment that Airmen get the same awards we do, when the difference of throwing Hand Grenades underhand iws so much different than dropping explosives from 5-10 thousand feet. I have a son that is making his 3rd tour of Afghanistan starting last Tuesday. Prior to this tour he had 2 others and was on 15 missions into Country where he would stay a few days up to a week, then come out. He's been to Iraq, Yemen, Palastine, Israel, Bogota Colombia, about every dangerous place in the world. I have flashbacks sometimes even driving down the road. I'm a very friendly guy that hides his Rage, until pushed too far. My wife has Alzheimer's and tries my patience daily. I'd give anything for a night's sleep. I'm living in the rural Ozark Mountains and find tranquility until neighbors start getting ready for hunting season. It's three o'clock ikn the morning and I'm very tired.I have a few worries on my mind. 4 years ago my oldest son, a firefighter and paramedic for the Prescott fire dept. lost 19 friends in that Yarnall fire on june 30th. Kevin had been on 6 wildfires in June and had that day off. Therefore he was in Flagstaff climbing cliff faces with friends. Both my son's inherited my addiction to adrenaline. I often pick up and milk the poison out of big Copperheads and Rattlesnakes just for a little RUSH. My duty to my spouse keeps me here, otherwise I'm pretty ready to go. I often think Vets are the only ones that can save this nation but we would have to take over the government which is composed of a bunch of do nothings that are letting us freefall into a police state. Semper Fi, G. Keith
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Here is a working link to Dr. A men's Pacific NW clinic in Bellevue. I true incurred him give a presentation at Madigan several years ago and his protocols were amazing. He showed actual brain scans people who suffer from alcoholism, drug abuse and PTS. He has identified different ways that the brain becomes inflamed and traumatized.
https://plus.google.com/+AmenClinicBellevue
https://plus.google.com/+AmenClinicBellevue
Amen Clinics - Northwest - Google+
Amen Clinics - Northwest - Google+
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I don't care what they call it.
It is what it is
Times, places, sounds.
Some fun eh boys
It is what it is
Times, places, sounds.
Some fun eh boys
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