Posted on Feb 18, 2016
NCOs who "care more about themselves than their Soldiers"
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Recently, I read a discussion on RallyPoint about “NCOs who care more about themselves than their soldiers.” It was a complaint that I often heard from the collective mouths of our junior enlisted when I served in both the Reserve and Active duty side of the house. Sometimes, the complaint was unwarranted because it was some immature “Joe” who didn’t get his way and got put in his place by a NCO who knew better. But most of the time, you had to step back and wonder: what made these soldiers come to the conclusion that their NCOs didn’t give a damn about them?
To start off, not all NCOs are like that. I have worked with NCOs who really cared about the welfare of their troops, especially when the issue was outside the company area. Personally, as a NCO myself, I would check in with my E4s and below to make sure that everything was running smoothly for them. They made sure that their troops had food to eat and got to work on time, to ensuring that they were trained to standard so that they wouldn’t make costly mistakes on the battlefield and didn’t combatively engage with each other or their significant others. I counseled them off the record or offered the negative reinforcement to steer them back on the right path.
Then you had NCOs who were just sergeants. They really didn’t give a crap about the “Joes” in their charge and would grudgingly share their knowledge and act as if they were nuns vigorously defending their virginity from Viking raiders.
In one Reserve unit I served in, I ran across NCOs like that. They treated you as a nuisance if you wanted to hone your skills and become a better soldier. They were just there to attend drill and collect that check. So your only option, as pointed by others before me, was to break out the manuals and learn OJT or seek out and find that one NCO who would behave as they should and mentor you correctly until it is your turn one day to do the same with a new batch of soldiers.
Generally, I believe that it’s the lack of following traditions that produces sergeants that don’t take the NCO Creed very seriously. Political correctness is now the new tradition in the U.S. Army and I believe that makes some NCOs not want to care. But this brings us to another issue: junior enlisted who behave as if they are entitled to everything under the sun. Why should I, as an NCO, try to do my job when PFC So-and-so is such a sensitive creature that he/she retires to his/her imaginary pillow fort or calls the congressman because I yelled for some infraction?
Instead of allowing misguided politicians and military personnel who are out of touch with reality to use the Army for social experiments, we need to go back to our traditions and let the NCOs be NCOs and do what they do best: their jobs. We also need to stop promoting inexperienced E4s to that spot until they are taught how to be followers and leaders by example. Writing a counselling statement doesn’t make someone a good NCO - it just shows others that you couldn’t have solved that issue in another manner.
It’s sad when the junior enlisted are griping about NCOs that don’t care because, those E1s, E2s, E3s, and E4s are going to mimic that sergeant and wind up hearing their own soldiers make the same complaints that they had made, perpetuating the cycle.
To start off, not all NCOs are like that. I have worked with NCOs who really cared about the welfare of their troops, especially when the issue was outside the company area. Personally, as a NCO myself, I would check in with my E4s and below to make sure that everything was running smoothly for them. They made sure that their troops had food to eat and got to work on time, to ensuring that they were trained to standard so that they wouldn’t make costly mistakes on the battlefield and didn’t combatively engage with each other or their significant others. I counseled them off the record or offered the negative reinforcement to steer them back on the right path.
Then you had NCOs who were just sergeants. They really didn’t give a crap about the “Joes” in their charge and would grudgingly share their knowledge and act as if they were nuns vigorously defending their virginity from Viking raiders.
In one Reserve unit I served in, I ran across NCOs like that. They treated you as a nuisance if you wanted to hone your skills and become a better soldier. They were just there to attend drill and collect that check. So your only option, as pointed by others before me, was to break out the manuals and learn OJT or seek out and find that one NCO who would behave as they should and mentor you correctly until it is your turn one day to do the same with a new batch of soldiers.
Generally, I believe that it’s the lack of following traditions that produces sergeants that don’t take the NCO Creed very seriously. Political correctness is now the new tradition in the U.S. Army and I believe that makes some NCOs not want to care. But this brings us to another issue: junior enlisted who behave as if they are entitled to everything under the sun. Why should I, as an NCO, try to do my job when PFC So-and-so is such a sensitive creature that he/she retires to his/her imaginary pillow fort or calls the congressman because I yelled for some infraction?
Instead of allowing misguided politicians and military personnel who are out of touch with reality to use the Army for social experiments, we need to go back to our traditions and let the NCOs be NCOs and do what they do best: their jobs. We also need to stop promoting inexperienced E4s to that spot until they are taught how to be followers and leaders by example. Writing a counselling statement doesn’t make someone a good NCO - it just shows others that you couldn’t have solved that issue in another manner.
It’s sad when the junior enlisted are griping about NCOs that don’t care because, those E1s, E2s, E3s, and E4s are going to mimic that sergeant and wind up hearing their own soldiers make the same complaints that they had made, perpetuating the cycle.
Posted 9 y ago
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I get so tired of hearing get back to the basics and taking care of Soldiers. I have a sign on my office door that reads "what have you done for the Soldier today". Taking care of Soldiers is not making sure they wake up for pt, making sure they brush their teeth and wipe their fourth point of contact. Taking care of Soldiers is providing them proper resources to accomplish what ever mission. It's showing them how, observing, providing guidance when needed, and retraining if necessary. You may have heard the CSA speak on Soldiers taking ownership. That comes from empowering them to make the decisions on their own and step in when needed. Keep coddling Soldiers and you're going to end up with leaders who won't make the tough decisions, ones that can't take care of Soldiers because he/she is to afraid to let the PL or CDR know when shit doesn't make sense and to control the good idea fairy. Don't be afraid to let these young Soldiers fail, it's the only way they are going to learn. In turn you have taken care of the Soldier.
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TSgt Melissa Post
I couldn't agree more. When I first switched shops with another airman who was still having to eat from the DFAC, our leadership would tell him he "you need to go eat lunch" because he wouldn't pay attention to the 2 hour block when the DFAC was open. I asked why they were reminding a grown ass male to go eat? He didn't need to be reminded in our previous shop. If he can't figure out that his stomach is growling and this is his time period to go and then he misses it, well that was his own damn fault. I let them know that I was not going to remind him when I was running the shift. If he missed it, then he missed it. Maybe next time he would pay attention to the time better. I know when I came into the AF, there had to be people who thought that my generation was given it too easy, but with the limp wristed sissy's we are getting these days, our enemies will just have to insult us verbally and we will fall apart because they weren't "sensitive to our feelings".
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I found the issue with the reserves is blanket promotions. Too often someone is promoted because of the buddy buddy system versus promoting someone who demonstrates they have what it takes to be part of the backbone of the Army.
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This complaint has been around since the dawn of time. As a private I had Squad Leaders that were pegged out at both ends of the spectrum. SGT Faulk was like Audie Murphy, SGT Morales, James Bond and Kung Fu rolled into one when you say SGT he's the image that pops into your mind. The guy was hard as woodpecker lips and we learned a lot from him tactically, technically and life skills. The other example I won't name since he may be alive or his family may be around, but he was the shining example of the selfish SGT and in 30 years of service I never saw anyone as worthless as he was. However both served as examples; one what an NCO should be, and the other what an NCO should never be. The rest just did their jobs and over all kept me and the crew out of mischief.
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