Would you support a military coup in the United States?

LTC (Join to see) - The National Guard is not bound by Posse Comitatus if under the direction of the Governor of the states and in the last 20 years I've watched most the National guard units become related to or affiliated with Combat arms missions... just a thought.

TSgt (Join to see) -Correct, I believe he might have been a bit busy at the time the towers falling and all that. Lt.Gen Maude was not KIA. He was on AD at the time but we were not at war.

LTC (Join to see) - Yup, my left your right.

Nothing else needs to be added to this thread. The oath we all took says it all.

SSgt Joseph Feenstra - Joseph, your mixing apples and oranges. If as a military member your protecting the laws of the government amd the Constitution its not a Coup

MAJ Bryan Zeski - The Constitution provides that the president "shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur" (Article II, section 2). The Constitution's framers gave the Senate a share of the treaty power in order to give the president the benefit of the Senate's advice and counsel, check presidential power, and safeguard the sovereignty of the states by giving each state an equal vote in the treatymaking process.
So he does NOT have total power to make treaties, yet he goes forth like he does with Iran. Its no use argueing with you, as you seem the type that watch America tear itself apart while you hide behind the Officers oath. We have digressed as a nation when people follow leaders willing to disregard the foundations that made us who and what we are, while we hide behind duty to them instead of our country. I hope it dont come down to Americans killing Americans again...but I feel it might. There is no one human being that is greater than a nation of souls, but yet you say that there is...God help us.

I don't know how many people are aware of the Kennedy administration and the Bay of Pigs incident. There was an incident that was classified for many years regarding the manner in which the Generals wanted to act and how the President insisted they not act. They were pretty adamant and wanted to blow Cuba out of the water...it came pretty close. Too close. There was a "novel" writen about it. When things were declassified, it was amazing how close the "novel" was to the truth. Has happened a number of times, but usually with technical things.

SSgt Joseph Feenstra - You're killing me. Yes, the President has to have Treaties approved through Congress - and he will, but he still has the power to create the Treaty in the first place. Congress can't very approve a treaty that hasn't been created.

He doesn't have total power and hasn't done or said anything that would indicate that he thinks he does.

The problem with arguing with me is that you aren't bringing any evidence or sources to the argument except your own stories and opinions of people and things.

Bottom line - until a government/leadership in power refuses to abdicate their authority when called by the people to do so, the government is the rightful authority of that country and the military serves the peoples' wishes.

Sir that was the first thought that popped into my head when I read it.

So if the government told you to round up a town and put it in a camp you would.

1SG Bill Wayne - Only if it was a lawful order, and that is one order I would question EXTREMELY vigorously.

Perhaps, CPT, while you're 'vigorously questioning' the order and deciding whether or not it's lawful, others will be doing likewise while carting your family off to a different camp.

SCPO Sally Puddy - Deprivation of civil liberties is a very dangerous thing.

Were the US government to attempt something like the internment of Japanese Americans today, I would resign my commission before I obeyed such an order.

Not just NO, but HELL NO!

True...But It is not enough to just read the oath they took but understand it.

CPT Toby Forbes - I misspoke. I took an oath of Enlistment and an oath of office. Thank you.

I've lost track of the number of times I've refused to stop for stupid ICE agents harassing locals near our northern border. They strangely know when to stop following me.

You Sir and I use that term loosely CPT Fishkin have just proven to me your no longer worthy of my time or thoughts with this one exception you have become a part of the establishment, A march in step died in the wool socialist.
" I will meet you at Lexington on the Green"

SGT David Starr - What I have proven is that I am not a conservative who takes the right-wing line as truth. Don't complain about immigration if you don't understand the issue, which clearly you do not. Immigration law is one of the most complex areas of practice, and is something I have worked in for the last 20 years on both sides. That doesn't make a socialist (though other things might), it makes me what state and federal courts have called an "expert".

LTC (Join to see) - I really don't want to get embroiled in the Urinary Olympiad you are having with SGT David Starr , however, I can't believe that you would say something as laughable as "our border is the most secure it has been in history". We have no border security, to speak of, and, as a result, thousands of illegal immigrants enter the country each month. Yes, immigration is a tough issue, but nothing can be done until the borders are sealed and the bleeding stops. The president is not serious about border security and the Democrats look at the illegal immigrants as future votes for their socialist policies. While I believe that what you say is true about Obama deporting a great many illegal immigrants, I also believe that if the number was looked at as a percentage of those illegally entering the US, he would significantly lag behind his predecessors.