Posted on Sep 8, 2016
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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
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My state order posted 17 Dec 17, but my packet didn't get assigned a scroll until May 18. Can anyone provide any update to P11-18? I have asked internally, but received zero response. I'm a little curious when the tracking timeline begins, as I have received a ton of answers from s.h.-lawyers. It had already been five/six months when they finally came around to assigning a scroll #. So another six to nine months if we're lucky? Thanks in advance!!
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1LT (Verify To See) Good times!!
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1LT (Verify To See) I saw that on the G1 Tracker as well. I was curious as to the actual location of the packets. The snapshots of the tracker for scrolls the potential location for them. Just curious. No reason to watch water boil on a flawed system.
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CW5 (Join to see) It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas...(tunes start playing... think Christmas Vacation).
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So the big question is...How will this potential backpay all shake out with the new NDAA, and when would it actually take effect? 1 Oct or 1Jan FY19? It’s a long shot at best. But, I’m thinking we are going to see a huge outflux of scrolls prior to any payments.
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Any updates on U01-18
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I noticed the time of the post was about 2am EDT...
I think (HOPE!) we will see it in the next week or two...
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CW5 (Join to see) - Any update to this weeks scrolls?
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NGB has had a network issue for the past few days. I dont believe anyone has been able to access DPRO until today. I expect we'll get an update later this week...
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Hopefully we will get some good news. If it doesn’t happen before the holidays I doubt it will happen. I really appreciate the updates.
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Well another week down with no dice, maybe next week, at least some scrolls moved this week.
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As has been said here before, remember, we are not the only ones on his desk. If you figure there are probably about 7 NATIONAL GUARD scrolls at OSD, extend that to the other four (five?, six?) Services its not hard to imagine there are probably another 30 or so scrolls mixed in with NG scrolls.
U01-18 has been there for 45 days (counting weekends). It'll be soon....
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I bet you guys dollars to doughnuts that this nonsense over the creation of a Space Force and how all questions are supposed to be directed to the OSD will mess us up for another month!..... Space Force?! It's like we're living in the Twilight Zone, I should just retire.
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1LT(P) Q J. - Still ticking away on DPRO. I like your positivity.
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1LT(P) Q J. - #AGRLivesMatter .....I need it to matter some more right now haha. Need the BAH boost and pay bump before AT.
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P12-17er here. My paperwork STILL has not hit my iPerms yet. After pushing it up to BN which then pushed it up higher, I'm being told that my record was deleted sometime after it published and before it hit my iPerms. So I'm currently stuck in limbo. The fun apparently never ends...
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That sux, but AFAIK, the only thing that comes back is the NGB-122e. And everything (again, AFAIK) is done in SATS (the NGB tracking system), so nothing gets 'deleted'...
It shouldnt be that hard....
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I would think it wouldn't be that difficult either but apparently it is. I started pushing the issue about 2 weeks after the order published. Had very little response until June 1 when I received the following in an email to a MAJ a couple of levels up: "Yes Sir. I called this morning to ask about his packet. They are trying to figure out what happened because his entire packet was deleted by someone at NGB on 07 May 2018. They are in the process of seeing what the issue was, and if/how it can be fixed." I've continued to push but have had a few minor responses but nothing valuable. Good times!
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1LT(P) Q J. - Well it's been a week. I'm back in the FerRec tracker but that is about it. Two lines in the tracker. Order Type, Description, Number of Days
FedRec-Promotion-UV to CPT, MAJ, LT Awaiting assignment to scroll; 0
FedRec-Promotion-UV to CPT, MAJ, LT Awaiting selection for publication of order; P12-17 326
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Any bets on whether or not anything gets approved this week? Based on the last few weeks my bet is on no, I'll be surprised at this point if mine gets approved by this fall.
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I think this is one of those things that they do on a schedule. For example, every other Wed afternoon, or the 3rd Friday of the month. There is just too much important going on and I'm sure his schedule is much more regimented than just an 'ad hoc' basis.
I'm sure he feels promotions are a very important task, but there are a lot of things probably higher priority...
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I beleve the SecDef was traveling last week but is back now. Might see some movement.
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I got curious and looked at these this morning, but I dont think there's really anything to learn here.
List U11-17 published on 3/27, effective date 3/16
List U14-17 published on 5/23, effective date 5/14
List P10-17 published 5/1, eff 4/12
List P12-17 published 5/2, eff 4/18
List P14-17 published 5/8, eff 4/27
List P15-17 published 5/29, eff 5/12
But there are scrolls from other services and components that get mixed into the pile....
Effective date is date OSD signs (usually)....
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Weird how both P04 and P05 reached SECDEF before P03 and yet didn't publish... seems no real pattern to how it is done...
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Anyone know if 1LT Joshua Yabut was on a scroll?
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Hopefully not mine or it might get yanked back...
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Didn't even think about that......
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Once I read that he was a 1LT in company command, it was my first thought. :)
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So D16-17 (242 Days Total) is at ASAMRA and has been there the same time as my scoll L04-17 (272 Days Total). Seems about right. But, Scroll P03-18 hit ASAMRA and then hit SECDEF 14 Days later, and only has a total day count of 152 Days total. More than 100 less days that either of the two above scrolls. Either my scroll L04-17 and D16-17 had some jacked up paperwork in comparison to P03-18 or something else happened. Call me insane for looking so in depth. Id love to be a fly on some of these scrolls as they go through the process. However, Thanks CW5 (Join to see) for the info along this journey.
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That was my time as CW2... I neglected my PME, which I dont recommend, going forward....
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I guess my issue is that the Scroll process isn't consistent at all when it comes to the time frame spent at certain steps. U04-18 I've been sitting at the JAG portion for like 38 days or so now. My good friend on an earlier scroll went through in like 3 weeks and then a couple days at the remaining steps and is sitting at the SECDEF waiting to be signed. it is very frustrating that I cant at least factor in prior scrolls timelines for each step because it is so random on how long each scroll stays at a given step per day.
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Mine spent 174 days at JAG. Counting weekends though
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None taken, Nicholas! I am glad you kept up with things! I wish I had, and I wouldn't be sitting here waiting on W5 after 38 years. Once I got WOAC done, I learned my lesson and did WOSC and WOSSC on time, but my mistake still haunts me.
Kelley, I have 2 W2s on U04 and it has seemed to be a little longer. U01-18 was at JAG 40 days, but my tracker only starts when we got there, so it was probably more like 60. Then 30 days at DMPM and 10 to OSD. I see U04 as just at 40 days, so hopefully an update soon....
I'm pulling for everyone, but remember, this probably wont be the last (or the worst) you get screwed in your career... Look on it like WOCS. You get to tell all the people in coming years they had it SO much easier than you did! :-)
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U13-17 290 days and counting. It is getting harder and harder to maintain my military bearing on this subject.
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Hopefully orders will be cut this week. There are a bunch of 2017 scolls that are at SecDef right now.
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CW2(P) Nicholas Seymour - Chief, the new legislation doesn't help anyone on the scrolls. If you read the verbiage, it only applies to those who have not been state approved as of the approval by the president. So in trying to take care of us they once again miss the mark.
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And while the legislation 'fixes' the DOR, it is directed at Service Secretaries.
Right now, 15 of 33 Army Guard scrolls are at OSD... At least thats enough to get noticed!
But Services appear to have improved greatly!
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CW5 (Join to see) - Granted, the staffing process has definitely sped up and even the JAG screening seems to have become more efficient. It is really sad that it took the NGAUS and a few screaming service members to get it to that point... I hope SECDEF takes some time this week to sign all the scrolls sitting on his desk. I don't want to be a member of the 300 Club! LOL!
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True, but orders to CW2 (and 1LT) are already backdated to eligibility. That may be part of the reason that UVP and DA Select scrolls are hopefully given a priority when processing....
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Congratulations to all the P10-17ers! Any updated from P11-17ers? P12-17 is still holding at the same Sec Def stage and nothing hit iPerms yet. I'm assuming they can't be that far behind P10-17.
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P11 @ SECDEF... 311 days...
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P11-17, senior scroll I believe.......315 and counting.......creeping up on P10 for longest running FEDREC scroll in the history of long running FEDREC scrolls......
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