Posted on Sep 8, 2016
Why is there such a long wait for reserve component officer and warrant federal recognition/promotion?
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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
Edited 8 y ago
Posted 8 y ago
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Where is 04-18?? It moved through the process at the same days as 02-18 and 03-18......
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CPT Griff Tatum
LTC (Join to see) full days including Memorial Day and weekends? Or 45 real business days? Because if you take away weekends and holidays it’s really only around 35
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MAJ (Join to see)
Yea, count business days not weekend days. The days in the DPRO tracker are accurate as they skip weekends, etc., so far as I can tell.
4-18 is the next senior scroll along with 5-18, as of yesterday, at least according to the most recent chart and the ones that have posted.
4-18 is the next senior scroll along with 5-18, as of yesterday, at least according to the most recent chart and the ones that have posted.
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Has anything published this week??? hello P04-18 how long are you going to be on vacation at the SECDEF office??
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MAJ (Join to see)
You'd think with the number of scrolls piled up at SECDEF they would be eager to get some of them approved and published, but it's pretty obvious how little the people in this process seem to give a damn. I think the rush to get through NGB and Army staff offices only happened because of the little bit of extra attention that NGAUS and recent congressional hearings put on this topic. However, so far, SECDEF and his staff haven't been the ones taking the heat on this, it's been the SECARMY taking the heat. Now what seems to have happened is that SECARMY and NGB processes sped up significantly just so everyone could wait forever at SECDEF level instead. It's a maddening process that needs a complete overhaul from top to bottom.
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Awaiting Off of Sec of Defense approval; L04-17; 288 Days in DoD Approval cycle
7 Jun 18
7 Jun 18
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1LT (Join to see)
No I am on P07-18. The nice thing for you is 2LT to 1LT is back dated/paid. It took me 8 months for 2LT to 1LT. I am currently at 120 days on the counter for this one with another 3 months in the state.
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CPT Griff Tatum
1LT (Join to see) I don’t think you can see all of them. Not that I’m aware of. But who knows. Hopefully yours moves faster than ours did.
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White House Opposes 'FedRec' Legislation
Legislation to hasten federal recognition of National Guard officer promotions does not have the blessing of the White House. The administration of President Trump cites "inequitable treatment" of Guard and active-component and Reserve officers as one reason it opposes the National Guard Promotion Accountability Act.
Legislation to hasten federal recognition of National Guard officer promotions does not have the blessing of the White House. The administration of President Trump cites "inequitable treatment" of Guard and active-component and Reserve officers as one reason it opposes the National Guard Promotion Accountability Act.
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MAJ (Join to see)
I could certainly understand if we were simply waiting on a promotion to move into a higher graded position and then we began to fulfill the duties and responsibilities inherent in that role, but that is not the case. We are "promoted" into a higher graded position and then we await validation of said promotion while fulfilling the duties and responsibilities inherent in the assumed role. This is not what occurs in the active component nor in the USAR. Thus the treatment is inequitable on our account, and not geared towards our COMPOs 1 and 3 counterparts.
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MAJ Kahren Aydinyan
Mine hasn't been uploaded to perms yet. Maybe in the next couple days. Don't care, going to wear the rank regardless. :)
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MSG Michael McEleney
Meant to Say what is the ROA's response to this problem? Isn't that why you pay dues and membership fees?
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CPT Griff Tatum
NAGUS apparently is the spear head for getting this issue, not resolved (I think it will take a ton of time) but moving faster. I think it's just someone light a fire under their behind. Im no SME on the subject though.
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CPT (Join to see)
MAJ (Join to see) - I think today is your day...sending out good vibes for orders within the next 24 hours. :)
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National Guard Association of the United States - NGAUS
Yesterday Congress introduced The National Guard Promotion Accountability Act, bills S. 2801 and HR. 5713, to address nearly 7,000 Guardsmen waiting for federal recognition of their promotions. For...
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CW5 (Join to see)
Here's the problem, tho. Leaving aside the 'automatic' scrolls (1LT and CW2), by my count, 13 of the 22 scrolls I track are at OSD. Five more have been newly scrolled in the past 6 weeks. If the directive is to the Service Secretaries, they are going to say they have already solved the problem (and I do believe SIGNIFICANT progress has been made). Although the 'planned' process is about 30 days at OSD, and they seem to be somewhat holding to that.
Although I support them, this is a VERY long-time gripe I have with NGAUS. They sometimes do these things that I believe are more directed at membership drives than reality. Things in the 90s that they boasted about every year, but never passed. 'Full' (rather than prorated) flight pay for Reservists, retirement pay at retirement rather than age 60. The 'early retirement pay' hole between 9-11 and Jan 2008 STILL hasn't been fixed.
I do believe that effective date of promotion at State orders date is just common sense. It used to be that FedRec was 'backdated' with an effective date of State orders. But it is a LONG way from a press release to implementation.
As I have said, WOs packets are allowed to go to the FRB 4 months before TIG requirements are met. That 'solution' has been around for almost 4 years.
And the whole 'Exemplary Conduct Screening' requirement, that mostly caused this delay was caused by the previous administration's SecDef.
Although I support them, this is a VERY long-time gripe I have with NGAUS. They sometimes do these things that I believe are more directed at membership drives than reality. Things in the 90s that they boasted about every year, but never passed. 'Full' (rather than prorated) flight pay for Reservists, retirement pay at retirement rather than age 60. The 'early retirement pay' hole between 9-11 and Jan 2008 STILL hasn't been fixed.
I do believe that effective date of promotion at State orders date is just common sense. It used to be that FedRec was 'backdated' with an effective date of State orders. But it is a LONG way from a press release to implementation.
As I have said, WOs packets are allowed to go to the FRB 4 months before TIG requirements are met. That 'solution' has been around for almost 4 years.
And the whole 'Exemplary Conduct Screening' requirement, that mostly caused this delay was caused by the previous administration's SecDef.
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CW5 (Join to see)
CW5 (Join to see) - They may solve one problem and create another in the process. Case in point. If an officer has seniority of +/- 1 year over another officer and is being promoted under the current process, 245-300+ days. The other officer gets promoted under the "fixed" system. The senior officer will most likely lose their TIG seniority to the other officer.
I would imagine that the army would recognize this and change the policy regarding submission of promotion packets to account for the new promotion timeline. When you are competing for a senior position, especially when there is a very limited number of them, TIG becomes even more important.
As for the exemplary screening, political leaders do not like getting poked in the eye. A GO or other senior officer that is visible to the public does something stupid, they get poked in the eye and hammered by their opponents because they promoted them. So in typical government fashion, they throw the baby out with the bath water. Now their theory is that if we can identify the "bad apples" early, we can prevent them from becoming "senior bad apples" and poking us in the eye.
I would imagine that the army would recognize this and change the policy regarding submission of promotion packets to account for the new promotion timeline. When you are competing for a senior position, especially when there is a very limited number of them, TIG becomes even more important.
As for the exemplary screening, political leaders do not like getting poked in the eye. A GO or other senior officer that is visible to the public does something stupid, they get poked in the eye and hammered by their opponents because they promoted them. So in typical government fashion, they throw the baby out with the bath water. Now their theory is that if we can identify the "bad apples" early, we can prevent them from becoming "senior bad apples" and poking us in the eye.
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MAJ (Join to see)
CW5 (Join to see) - Chief-that is the principle issue I have with this bill. If the TIG is adjusted to reflect state orders then it will create a seniority issue and further down the road-they are eligible for promotion sooner.
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P15-17, P01, P02, P03, P04, P05-18 all pretty much went through Scrolled, OTJAG, DMPM, SECDEF at the same time. Interesting to see in which order they will get published. Scroll number sequence means nothing apparently. PLACE YOUR BETS!!!
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LTC (Join to see)
Well hopefully we all won't sit at SECDEF for 90 days out of spite. I have AT on 31 May and it would be nice to make an additional $1000 for the effort. (P04-18)
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CPT (Join to see)
LTC (Join to see) - Im hopeful as well (P05-18). Started an ADOS tour, would be nice to get the additional pay. Heres to hoping orders will be published in the next week or two
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MAJ Kahren Aydinyan
The tracker was obviously lagging. There are many offices between JAG and Sec Army.
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