Posted on Sep 8, 2016
Why is there such a long wait for reserve component officer and warrant federal recognition/promotion?
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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
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06-18 published! I think we were at around 190 days, which makes me very grateful. I really feel for all you guys who were 300+ while working positions of higher grade.
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CPT(P) (Join to see)
LTC (Join to see) Sir, mine showed packet approved on 7/27, and documents were in iPerms on 7/30 with a date of rank of 7/18.
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CPT(P) (Join to see) - Thanks - Do you need to update your rank on Rally Point or did it take so long you are already promotable for the next rank. :)
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LTC (Join to see) Well, I wasn’t sure if it was tacky or not to change it on here before actually being pinned. But yes, dang near promotable again haha!
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UPDATE: U13-17 has published effective 22MAY18. DOR is 8MAY18.........FINALLY!
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CW5 (Join to see)
Congrats Roger!
Looks like OSD is having a signing party!
ps.... that CW4 looks good! :-)
Looks like OSD is having a signing party!
ps.... that CW4 looks good! :-)
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MAJ (Join to see)
CW5 (Join to see) - Yep-P01-18 posted today too...little frustrated to be in the batch of scrolls that got behind but good to see movement. Congrats on Cw4!!!
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Congrats to everyone on P10-17, and good luck to all who are still awaiting your orders! Here's a final overview of the offices/days for P10-17, and hoping that these types of delays are not experienced by any of us again in the future. I am looking forward to continuing to work together with you all to advocate for ourselves and continue to improve the process!
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Congratulations CPT! Thanks for the update, I’m hoping my scroll is at the SECDEF for only eight days as well.
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MAJ (Join to see)
It was meant more as a "tongue -in-cheek" referencing the (P) by everyones rank on RP who is awaiting FEDREC....it's nice to see those go away and see scrolls get published
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MAJ (Join to see) - Sir, you are right. Thats not what I was 'told' but it IS what AR 623-3 says. There is also an NGB PPOM 14-017 which states the same, serving in a next higher rank position, having State promo orders and scroll in "Accepted/Approved for Scrolling" status.
That PPOM does also state that it is for OERs only, and the (P) is not authorized for use on a signature block. That is from NGR 600-100, which it doesnt look like has been updated since 1994.
AR 25-50 also prohibits the practice, "except where it enhances the image of the Army". Example given was an LTC serving in a COL spot, signing correspondence requiring a COL signature. Here I am thinking of an "O-6 memo" for mobilization, etc.
I know this was all tongue in cheek, but with all these scrolls being signed, there's nothing else to talk about!
That PPOM does also state that it is for OERs only, and the (P) is not authorized for use on a signature block. That is from NGR 600-100, which it doesnt look like has been updated since 1994.
AR 25-50 also prohibits the practice, "except where it enhances the image of the Army". Example given was an LTC serving in a COL spot, signing correspondence requiring a COL signature. Here I am thinking of an "O-6 memo" for mobilization, etc.
I know this was all tongue in cheek, but with all these scrolls being signed, there's nothing else to talk about!
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CW5 (Join to see) - You got that right, brother. I learn a great deal from the posts on this site and as long as we’re learning from our shared experience, that is all that matters.
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MAJ (Join to see) - I am having an internal battle of happiness for P05-18's well-deserved progress, and very green enviousness...it's not very pretty. ;) I'm telling myself that now that so many scrolls are at OSD, surely they'll prioritize P10, 11, and 12-17....right???
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MAJ Kahren Aydinyan - Thank you, sir! The problem is that we all deserve it, so my envy is misplaced. :) Hopefully all of the FY 17 scrolls make it through soon, and the faster trend continues to pick up pace! P15-17 has certainly been waiting for a while as well...
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#FEDREC U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren questioned Secretary of the Army Mark T. Esper during a Senate Armed Services Committe hearing, the delays of National ...
Wow I didnt see this person being our hero. But she just stood up for us.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVWA3oymymI&t=5s
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CPT (Join to see) WOW!! Thanks for posting this! I look forward to seeing how this turns out.
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Same here. I hope that is done not loose traction. I have been in a O4 slot since DEC 16 and while it hasn't been terrible, it helps to be in the correct grade for the position. Back pay would be nice but are unlikely so Ill hope for recovery of some TIG.
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MAJ (Join to see)
I've been in my O4 slot since July 15, State Promotion date 13 April 2016. I'm ready for this to wrap up.
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This is what I was sent as of 24 January 2018. Obviously doesn't tell the days, but there are at least two over 300 (including D08-17 at 310 and P08-17 very close).
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This is great. Thank you for posting this info Chief. A lot of us on P01-18 through P06-18 and newer have been sitting at day 0 since our scroll was created in September/October without any update.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Thanks for the update, I was getting a little discouraged sitting at day "0" for so long. At least I know my packet has moved a little! 05-18 by the way.
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I just received an email from the Command Chief WO of our state. He sent an email from our state Chief of Staff stating that there is grounds for ABCMR, which would correct your DOR.
The link to the ABCMR is as follows.
http://arba.army.pentagon.mil/abcmr-app.html
The recommendation that was made is to submit the request for change back to the average days it should have taken you to get promoted.
Here is a link to the document that he sent that outlines the process and the average number of days it should take for the promotion to become effective.
Long story short WO's and 1LT's should be around 130 days total.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Of2lGtCoOEkwppNNSkRYSzheeYkJlCAI
***EDIT****
Adding the email from the Aide de Camp vice chief of staff DA with associated regs on the fedrec process.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzEG9rjtcCbNY3pUTDdMeklVWXU1WkVvMkdKdVI2OVpyMUtV
The link to the ABCMR is as follows.
http://arba.army.pentagon.mil/abcmr-app.html
The recommendation that was made is to submit the request for change back to the average days it should have taken you to get promoted.
Here is a link to the document that he sent that outlines the process and the average number of days it should take for the promotion to become effective.
Long story short WO's and 1LT's should be around 130 days total.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Of2lGtCoOEkwppNNSkRYSzheeYkJlCAI
***EDIT****
Adding the email from the Aide de Camp vice chief of staff DA with associated regs on the fedrec process.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzEG9rjtcCbNY3pUTDdMeklVWXU1WkVvMkdKdVI2OVpyMUtV
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I've not heard of anyone doing it yet. My guess is it will get just as lost as our FEDREC packets.
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COL (Join to see)
I used the process to backdate my MAJ date of rank, and it was relatively painless. The only difference is that my promotion was delayed due to board results being thrown out and the process needing to be restarted. Which ended up pushing my original DOR past my max time in grade as a CPT.
Those of us in the UVP/FedRec process are for the most part are being promoted "early" and not at max time in grade. So I'm not sure how we demonstrate "harm" to the board and ask for relief.
Those of us in the UVP/FedRec process are for the most part are being promoted "early" and not at max time in grade. So I'm not sure how we demonstrate "harm" to the board and ask for relief.
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COL (Join to see) - would the harm be that it throws the timeline off on your entire career? I've been 1LT for 3 years, 8 months. Been commissioned for 5 years 10 months. I got promoted to CPT at the state level in June 2017, and as of Feb 9 2018 I'm still in fedrec purgatory. I turn 40 this year, and due to this fedrec delay (and the anticipated next one) there's pretty much no way I'm gonna make Maj before I retire. That directly affects what I get in retirement, and I'd call that negative impact harm. Oh, not to mention that I'm almost a year behind most of my peers I went to IBOLC with, thanks to fedrec purgatory.
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Hello all,
I apologize for being off the grid since my last post, which was exactly 30-days ago. Recently, I took a break from checking the ARNG G1 site and instead took to follow the well-known aphorism that 'a watched pot never boils'. Well, that, too, did not work because I checked the G1 site today and there is our scroll, growing mold from the coffee stains and sitting at the JAG. To use the analogy above, in this instance not only is the pot no longer boiling, but there is no water in there; it evaporated. In fact, the owner of the pot moved out of the house, which has since been torn down to make way for an IMAX theater and an 8-lane freeway with HOV lanes. All of these were constructed and opened in the time span of this FedRec process.
I apologize for being off the grid since my last post, which was exactly 30-days ago. Recently, I took a break from checking the ARNG G1 site and instead took to follow the well-known aphorism that 'a watched pot never boils'. Well, that, too, did not work because I checked the G1 site today and there is our scroll, growing mold from the coffee stains and sitting at the JAG. To use the analogy above, in this instance not only is the pot no longer boiling, but there is no water in there; it evaporated. In fact, the owner of the pot moved out of the house, which has since been torn down to make way for an IMAX theater and an 8-lane freeway with HOV lanes. All of these were constructed and opened in the time span of this FedRec process.
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