Posted on Sep 8, 2016
Why is there such a long wait for reserve component officer and warrant federal recognition/promotion?
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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
Edited 8 y ago
Posted 8 y ago
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MAJ (Join to see)
Congrats, nice to finally see something move out of SECDEF's office. Curious to know what the date of ranks are once they post to iPerms?
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P01-18 AWAITING SECDEF!!!
Looks like G1 tracker has been updated. Lots of scrolls have changed status. P01-18 is awaiting SECDEF ... hopefully NLT a month before orders. I was selected on the my state's field grade assignment board in June, state order in July.
Looks like G1 tracker has been updated. Lots of scrolls have changed status. P01-18 is awaiting SECDEF ... hopefully NLT a month before orders. I was selected on the my state's field grade assignment board in June, state order in July.
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CPT (Join to see)
MAJ (Join to see) - Thank you! This is very helpful. And, you raise a good point. Just because P01-18 is moving through the process faster than others doesn't mean its an acceptable amount of time that we should have to wait. Just glad to see that there is some improvement! My unit first submitted my packet OCT 2016, so, I would love to not have to do this timeline over again for MAJ. :)
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CPT (Join to see)
MAJ (Join to see) - I vote for restoration of TIG and back pay, too, sir. :) From some discussions over on the P10-17 page, I think a both/and approach will be best, and I agree a "one voice" strategy could help us all. The lengthy delays in addition to the non-standardized process causes harm through the loss of TIG, while also arbitrarily promoting some officers over others, regardless of TIG already served and the date they entered into the FedRec process. There are also both Army (AR 600-8-29) and US (10 U.S. Code §14311(2)(d)) codes that officer promotions should not be delayed more than 6 months due to punitive actions, and I think we could make a case to have the "spirit" of this law applied to us, even though it technically refers to delays due to disciplinary actions.
Some sample language that I used in a follow up email letter to one of my senators: "I am respectfully requesting the we be allowed to apply 10 U.S. Code §14311(2)(d) to our case to have our DORs corrected, even though we are experiencing these lengthy delays through no fault of our own, are in good standing with the Army, and are not pending any disciplinary action. Additionally, soldiers who have previously applied to have their DORs corrected through the Army Board for Correction of Military Records have been advised that the Department of the Army does not have jurisdiction to change our DORs because the promotion orders for Army National Guard Officers are signed by the Office of the Secretary of Defense. I am respectfully requesting that the Secretary of the Army be notified of his authority to correct DORs for National Guard Officers in this instance through 10 U.S. Code § 741(4)(a) and 10 U.S. Code §14311(2)."
Who knows if it will work, but it makes me feel better to try. :)
Some sample language that I used in a follow up email letter to one of my senators: "I am respectfully requesting the we be allowed to apply 10 U.S. Code §14311(2)(d) to our case to have our DORs corrected, even though we are experiencing these lengthy delays through no fault of our own, are in good standing with the Army, and are not pending any disciplinary action. Additionally, soldiers who have previously applied to have their DORs corrected through the Army Board for Correction of Military Records have been advised that the Department of the Army does not have jurisdiction to change our DORs because the promotion orders for Army National Guard Officers are signed by the Office of the Secretary of Defense. I am respectfully requesting that the Secretary of the Army be notified of his authority to correct DORs for National Guard Officers in this instance through 10 U.S. Code § 741(4)(a) and 10 U.S. Code §14311(2)."
Who knows if it will work, but it makes me feel better to try. :)
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MAJ (Join to see)
MAJ (Join to see) - I have reviewed an ABCMR case where an officer attempted to obtain a correction to his DOR based on undergoing the UVP process, being removed from the same just prior to orders production to be considered by the DA Board, and the result was a "negative." In this case, however, the officer presented a correction based on the wrong premise: he asked to have his DOR corrected to the same date as the officers promoted via the UVP versus the DA Board. He should have asked for the correction based on the law stating an officer can only be considered by ONE promotion board, not two.
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CW5 (Join to see)
No update from G1 today (yet), but I will post as soon as they send out their report. I only have access to the information from a few people in my Command getting promoted, so dont have a wider view of more of the scrolls...
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Posted below is the much awaited scroll progress. I was going to fold in the other status posted by CW3 J S 11 days ago, but its hard to compare.... I tried to use abbreviations to shrink it down some...
Once again, scrolls that have changed status are highlighted yellow. I believe this data was pulled today (27 Mar)
Once again, scrolls that have changed status are highlighted yellow. I believe this data was pulled today (27 Mar)
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CW5 (Join to see)
It could just be that my State (VA) doesnt have anyone on that list...
I just collect from a State Tracker report....
I just collect from a State Tracker report....
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CPT (Join to see)
Can't say "thank you" enough for sharing these updates! That is AMAZING if P10-17 is actually at OSD...today is my 1 year state promotion anniversary, so that would be quite a gift. ;)
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MAJ (Join to see)
I'm still trying to figure out what the issue is with P12-17 and why it seems to be on its own path.
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CPT (Join to see)
Nice. Keep in mind, though, that we still have to go through OSD...not quite sure how P13-17 beat us there, but just trying to be glad for movement.
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S Vb
We were told a group of scrolls got "lost" in the system while someone was on extended medical leave and they just found them a few months ago. I wish they would have pushed them through in order or would at least be willing to correct the DOR so that future promotions won't be affected. (But no one asks me what I think.)
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Here's a fun fact for those of us on U06-17, P09-17 and P08-17 ....our scrolls have lasted longer than the marriage of Marilyn Monroe and Joe DiMaggio. :)
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The NGAUS Executive Council met this weekend. We happened to be at the hotel many of them were staying at. One of our WOs talked with them and they were very interested in (and already aware of) the FedRec timeline.
I would recommend that NGAUS can speak better for us collectively than we can individually. I would recommend to all contacting them and asking for a specific person you can speak to to explain your situation.
Be professional, remember, most of these members are ex-GOs and TAGs. But, after thinking about it, I believe their voice is much more powerful.
I would recommend that NGAUS can speak better for us collectively than we can individually. I would recommend to all contacting them and asking for a specific person you can speak to to explain your situation.
Be professional, remember, most of these members are ex-GOs and TAGs. But, after thinking about it, I believe their voice is much more powerful.
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Instead of FedRec, perhaps a more appropriate term is FedWreck. Enough said!!!
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1LT(P) (Join to see)
1LT(P) (Join to see) - mine aren't in iPERMS yet either....not sure how long it will be for that to happen. Probably depends on the state.
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CPT (Join to see)
I heard that the turn around to iPERMS is fairly quick. I'd recommend you forward your FEDREC order to your S1 and Commander to see how they would want to handle pinning you. I know some leadership doesn't like for individuals to self pin themselves when their orders come through.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Well for the lucky crew on 3-17 we are at day 211 as of the 26th......this is why my AUDIT-C score on my PHA is 34!!!!!!!
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CPT Michael Ludwick
Anyone else having issues accessing the G1 Portal? The self-service website keeps timing out.
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CPT(P) (Join to see)
CPT Michael Ludwick - It was probably broken by the flood of people trying to log on. lol
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CPT (Join to see)
The order was dropped into IPERMS a couple hours ago and DOR was on the 2nd of May. It appears SFC Palmer was correct on when SECDEF approved the scroll. Congrats All!
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CW3 (Join to see)
Imagine that, the G1 portal is down. And here we sit, wondering why the FedRec process takes so long. Heck, the G1 cannot even manage something as simple as their website, yet our careers are in their hands. Incredible, simply incredible!
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