Posted on Sep 8, 2016
Why is there such a long wait for reserve component officer and warrant federal recognition/promotion?
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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
Edited 8 y ago
Posted 8 y ago
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Because they only work 2 days a month, and 2 weeks a year, so it takes longer for them to do the paperwork. AD is there 20 days a month. That’s probably why. (Where is the “tongue in cheek” emoji?)
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Today is my 1 year anniversary with State Promotion Orders. This is beyond frustrating.
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CW5 (Join to see)
The Army Times just published an article that says some senior folks are talking about giving us back pay. Personally, back pay would be nice but I would much rather recover the lost time in grade. My state order was cut in April 2017. It is now April 2018 and my scroll still hasn’t made it to SECDEF.
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1LT(P) Quincy J. - I completely agree. If the timeline was meant to be a year from state promotion orders, that would be outrageous, but at least we would know what to expect. I couldn't have said it better: the guess work, anticipation, and anxiety of this process is a completely unnecessary hardship.
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CW5 (Join to see) - Here's a video from the Senate hearing that the Army Times was likely referring to (starting around 1:22:00): https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/hearings/18-04-12-posture-of-the-department-of-the-army . I am with you, I would never turn down back pay, but I am most concerned about corrective actions for our DORs.
United States Commitee on Armed Services
United States Committee on Armed Services
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That honestly seemed more like a political hokey pokey more than anything. Congress has been aware of this problem for several years. Talking about it more doesn't help...they need to actually implement change. I feel like that conversation was to attract votes. Just my opinion.
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Someone on this thread has shown the timeline of the process but some of the things that hold up the process can be if one person on the scroll is not qualified it gets sent back for a restart. Also there is a wait till they get a good number of people before they send up the list to create the scroll. It takes just as long as an active duty or Reserve DA promotion board. My last board met in August and FEDREC/promotion was end of May.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Sir, So then the better question is why does it work that way? Why would you have a system that penalizes possibly dozens(hundreds?) of others for one that is not qualified? After the JAG, what could they even be checking that would take any time? With the digital resources available these days, there is no excuse for one scroll to sit in one office for 6 months. The only difference between an active duty board and this one is that the dates are published when the boards are held, then approximate timeframes for the results to be published are known. It is usually a 6 month wait, but there is very little guesswork and all the names come out simultaneously. They also put out a memo if the board or the results are going to be delayed. You do not see other scrolls pass up yours. I'm not arguing it is any better, just much more transparent.
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MAJ Kahren Aydinyan
Any why the change from several years ago, when officer promotions took 3-6 months?
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MAJ Kahren Aydinyan - My understanding is that at some point there were promotions went through that shouldn't have for a variety of reasons, so they added additional levels of review and scrutiny. Conceptually that makes sense (i.e., let's do this right) but I suspect they didn't add additional personnel resources to help with the additional work.
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Sir, I dont know that it's the same for the Active component . I went through a commissioning program along with Active Duty Army and Airforce. They pretty much all got pinned CPT at 2 years time in grade on the dot. Myself and most of my fellow Guard members that graduated with them are still waiting, with 3+ years TIG. No negative actions on us.
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Check your IPERMS my FEDREC order is in there. I was on U11-17. It hasn't registered on the tracker yet. Congrats to all on this list.
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"Dont forget to tip your waitress"....
If anyone at NGB provided updates or took some arrows, it might be nice to toss them a "thank you" note. This isnt their fault, but they are part of the solution fixing it....
If anyone at NGB provided updates or took some arrows, it might be nice to toss them a "thank you" note. This isnt their fault, but they are part of the solution fixing it....
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Any update on P10-17? I think we are the longest running scroll at this point.
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Hahaha. Well, with some hard work, dedication, and good 'ol fashioned willpower you may achieve your goal!
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MAJ (Join to see)
Any updates on 10?
Awaiting Dir of Mil Pers Mgmt; P11-17; 280 Days in DoD Approval cycle
Awaiting Dir of Mil Pers Mgmt; P11-17; 280 Days in DoD Approval cycle
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MAJ (Join to see)
Well-on the upside.....we can at least boast that we are of the "extremely vetted" variety of officer....which not everyone can say!
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Race Against Time!!!
For those of you who haven't gotten the word, the FY18 Call to Active Duty order is out. I plan to throw my hat in the ring. However, I'm on scroll 01-18 and the deadline for CAD applications is 29JUN. I was put on scroll in OCT and 01-18 is currenlty at OTJAG. Thoughts on whether publication will occur prior to 29JUN? I'm thinking there is a 50/50 chance according to history. Any input is appriciated : -)
For those of you who haven't gotten the word, the FY18 Call to Active Duty order is out. I plan to throw my hat in the ring. However, I'm on scroll 01-18 and the deadline for CAD applications is 29JUN. I was put on scroll in OCT and 01-18 is currenlty at OTJAG. Thoughts on whether publication will occur prior to 29JUN? I'm thinking there is a 50/50 chance according to history. Any input is appriciated : -)
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You better read the requirements for CAD. A 1LT only has to have BOLC complete to be accepted, a CPT has to have completed a CCC.
My coworker submitted a packet as a 1LT last year was promoted to CPT shortly there after. He received a phone call said congrats you have been accepted, he stated he was a CPT now. To which they informed him he no longer met the qualifications due to not having completed CCC.
My coworker submitted a packet as a 1LT last year was promoted to CPT shortly there after. He received a phone call said congrats you have been accepted, he stated he was a CPT now. To which they informed him he no longer met the qualifications due to not having completed CCC.
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CPT (Join to see) - Dag ... that sucks for your friend. I'm on scroll for O4 so no issues there.
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CPT (Join to see) - I don't think the G1 page has been updated. I know P01-18 was scrolled in OCT ... 1st scroll of the fiscal year.
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I doubt the G1 page is updated more than about once a month, if that.... Its too much of a manual process and involves updating several different databases.
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Mine is sitting at 163 days in the cycle on scroll L04-17 with JAG. My state orders are from February 2017. How much longer are they going to hold it hostage?
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Wow that is crazy, you must have had a long delay to get your packet to NGB. The good news is your DOR and backpay are taken care of!
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Raise your hand if you were on U06-17.
Give us a chance to congratulate.
And dont just leave. Remember, our job as leaders is to make things better for those that come after us!
Give us a chance to congratulate.
And dont just leave. Remember, our job as leaders is to make things better for those that come after us!
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Awaiting Off of Sec of Defense approval;
P09-17; 270 Days in DoD Approval cycle
Just updated today. Sorry I have no information on other scrolls.
P09-17; 270 Days in DoD Approval cycle
Just updated today. Sorry I have no information on other scrolls.
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MAJ (Join to see)
CPT (Join to see) - Right? As if we haven't waited long enough, now we have this goat rodeo to contend with... Although, it seems that being at OSD no longer means anything...6-17 was there for months.
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D08-17 has been at OSD for 4 months--longer than any current scroll being processed (even U06-17).
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CW3 (Join to see) - Touche....and that has to be incredibly infuriating...to sit at the last step for 4 months.
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