Posted on Sep 8, 2016
Why is there such a long wait for reserve component officer and warrant federal recognition/promotion?
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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
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CPT(P) (Join to see) - When I went through AG school I was told a scroll was comprised of 1000 names. I have never heard anything less.
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Just a note about the submission for the correction on date of rate, if needed. I found this while perusing the ABCMR guidebook. "Members of the Army National Guard applying to the Army Board for Correction of Military Records (ABCMR). Many Army National Guard regulations require the members of the Army National Guard to apply first to their State Adjutant General and then to the National Guard Bureau for correction of records. If after exhausting these resources, a member of the Army National Guard still feels that there is error or injustice in their record, they can apply to the ABCMR. They should include with their application a copy any communication they have had with their State Adjutant General or the National Guard Bureau concerning the requested correction."
This issue should be big enough for the TAGs to bring up to NGB.
This issue should be big enough for the TAGs to bring up to NGB.
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Are you sure, P07-17 was published a month ago.
I am in P08-17 still waiting in JAG, so much for talking care of guard soldiers
I am in P08-17 still waiting in JAG, so much for talking care of guard soldiers
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What is your Date of Rank after Fed Rec? Is it the date on your state promotion orders, or the date the SEC DEF signs? If it actually is the date the SEC DEF signs, then what is the point of state promotion orders if CPT and above don't receive back pay and time in grade?
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CPT (Join to see) - Sir, I agree. I've literally already had 4 or 5 LT friends send up packets for transfer to the reserves, just to escape the fed rec process.
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CPT (Join to see) - You make good points, but as alluded to earlier, a process that seems indifferent to Soldiers and their careers will push talent elsewhere. I'm ADOS now, and the FED REC process is costing me over $1,000 per month that it drags on. With no TIG/Back Pay it is incredibly frustrating. Multiply that times 3 or 4 over the span of a Guard career, and potentially that could rob someone of an entire grade. It just doesn't make sense that routine low to mid level promotions need/have to be such a source of anger and heartache. I don't know what it'll take to change the process, but if none of us make our concerns known, the only known is that nothing will change.
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I've brought this up to my BN and they have agreed that they should put the promotable Soldier in a para/lin of the next grade prior to taking their actual position. This would allow the Soldiers packet to start the process earlier and hopefully receive their FEDREC sooner. For example; If I am chosen to take command in 6 months from now, I am moved to a vacant O3 billet so the state can start the promotion order and submit to NGB. At least this way you would only be waiting a couple months for your FEDREC instead of 8+. I know everyone's FEDREC process time isn't the same length, but it would help for sure. THAT is taking care of Soldiers.
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1LT Philroy Hinds - Also, if you drop dead while you are in the ridiculous FedRec quagmire, you are listed on the State Militia rolls at the rank the state promoted you to.
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Active vs Reserves = Assets being sent vs number of slots and budget constraints: US is broke. And Politics willing to throw freedom to sewer to take care of people who don't take care of self in US and world.
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L02-17 is going on day 160 on the tracker, anyone talk to NGB for an update?
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CH (2LT) (Join to see) - I saw a scroll from last year spend about 17 days on this step. Hoping ours is here for 2 days max.
Am I the only one having difficulty accessing the antiquated, poorly designed, and sub-sloth driven G1 website (link below)? Regardless, if and when I do log in, I will continue to see the disappointing results of this comical FedRec process. In December, the state published my promotion orders, yet as of today, or so I think, my packet doubles as a coffee coaster on the JAG's desk. I would list my Scroll number, but for now I must wait until the G1 hamsters spin their wheels fast enough to generate the minimum power to bring up the servers.
http://arngg1.ngb.army.mil/SelfService/careercenter/soldierdata.aspx
http://arngg1.ngb.army.mil/SelfService/careercenter/soldierdata.aspx
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Scroll P03-17 sat at JAG for 150+ days with the only explanation coming second hand from individuals calling NGB for updates.
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Thank you. It is amazing, however, that out of all of the INTs, RUMINT is the most reliable intelligence.
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Scroll U10-17 Update/Comment Thread:
Check your packet status here:
https://arngg1.ngb.army.mil/SelfService/careercenter/soldierdata.aspx
As of 20170629. Day 37
Check your packet status here:
https://arngg1.ngb.army.mil/SelfService/careercenter/soldierdata.aspx
As of 20170629. Day 37
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Has anyone contacted NGB about this scroll? If not, I will we calling this week. Does anyone have CW3 Poppy's contact information? Thanks
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CW4(P) (Join to see) - Did you ever call? I'm too afraid to. 253 days for my scroll.....
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I have reached out to NGB several times, I have not been to talk to anyone yet. I did receive a email that my Congressional inquiry is being researched.
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New question. For those of you that have published orders and are at the end of this goat rope, how far back are you getting back paid? I have a CW2 in my unit that waited a week short of 365 days from state orders to published fed rec and they back paid him all the way back to the day the state recognized his promotion. I'd like to know if anyone else had that experience.
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I'm not sure if it is entirely correct. I believe it's case-by-case and state will only go back a few months for backpay. Remember, it's state money, not federal money.
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1LT (Join to see) - I have a few LT buddies who didn't get back paid all the way to state orders, though generally those were the guys who had to wait a super long time because of weird issues with their scrolls. When I commissioned, NY took forever to federally recognize me as a 2LT, so I went to AT and got paid as an E5, and they didn't even back pay me for all of that, so I have my doubts that I'll receive back pay all the way to November '16. It would be nice though, having been ADOS for most of the wait.
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2LT(P) (Verify To See) - If you are ADOS, depending on your agency, they most likely have budgeted in your promotion- so you should see that pot of money come to you eventually... For M-Day, it does come out of State funds so most likely won't see the entire load drop.
I know for Counter Drug in the Guard they had to budget my promotion in and almost cancel my orders because I was expensive all of a sudden but it worked out :-)
I know for Counter Drug in the Guard they had to budget my promotion in and almost cancel my orders because I was expensive all of a sudden but it worked out :-)
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That makes sense. I caught a glance of the cost estimate, and I was wondering why I cost my unit over 80000 for a relatively short period of time.
Anyone from this group L03-17, my state recognized me in December but I am still waiting for fed rec.
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Im in L03-17 mine is froze at Sec Def at 140 Days has anyone else received their Fed Req from this group
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CPT Michael Ludwick
Outstanding. Looking back at my notes this is day 312 of my packet hitting the NGB level for acceptance. It's hard to stay optimistic. Really thought it would be this week.
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Now that we are in mid-May, I certainly wouldn't expect anything until June based on the approach of Memorial Day.
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Someone said that they were informed that the Scroll had been signed, but not returned to the NGB. How certain was that particular source that anything had actually been signed?
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I went back through the posts, and someone indicated 16 days ago that they spoke with a SFC Palmer at NGB who indicated the scroll was signed by the SECDEF on May 2nd. Certainly do not have any proof or confirmation, so for what it is worth.
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