Posted on Sep 8, 2016
Why is there such a long wait for reserve component officer and warrant federal recognition/promotion?
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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
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For those wonder what the process is supposed to look like, and to know where they are in the process.
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1LT (Join to see)
I received the following information from SFC Palmer, following my communication that I have now become concerned following the update that P04-17 is now at SecDef and we P03-17 has been stuck at JAG for 3 months.
"Please see attached slide. As of the last update received from the DMPM on 23 May 2017, P03-17 current status is "Awaiting ORB Results". The reason that it still shows with OTJAG in the system is because etracker is not in line with the current staffing processes. The G1 tracker will continue to reflect OTJAG until it moves to the next office which will be the G1.
As a reminder, our office does not control the flow of the scrolls. Some scrolls may move faster or slower than others for different reasons. I can assure that if there is an issue with your promotion packet, it will be found at this stage in the process and you will be notified promptly. "
The slide she supplied, was the same one 1LT(P) Long shared with us a few days ago. I hope that I am mistaken but, at this point, I fully expect P04-17 to be published before our scroll and for P03-17 to find ourselves well into 200+ days.
"Please see attached slide. As of the last update received from the DMPM on 23 May 2017, P03-17 current status is "Awaiting ORB Results". The reason that it still shows with OTJAG in the system is because etracker is not in line with the current staffing processes. The G1 tracker will continue to reflect OTJAG until it moves to the next office which will be the G1.
As a reminder, our office does not control the flow of the scrolls. Some scrolls may move faster or slower than others for different reasons. I can assure that if there is an issue with your promotion packet, it will be found at this stage in the process and you will be notified promptly. "
The slide she supplied, was the same one 1LT(P) Long shared with us a few days ago. I hope that I am mistaken but, at this point, I fully expect P04-17 to be published before our scroll and for P03-17 to find ourselves well into 200+ days.
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It certainly appears to be the case that we could very well reach 240+ days based on feedback I have received. I wonder at times if the delay is due to the size of the scroll or if there is an issue with some of the packets. Although very frustrating, it is out of our realm of control. I told myself that I wouldn't check the tracker anymore, but it is a force of habit. Fortunately, I leave this weekend for two weeks in the field, so I probably won't have much time to check on it, which is a good thing because I shake my head each day I see no movement. I wish I knew someone on the ORB.
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Does anyone have any info on the status of P02-17? Was it signed by SECDEF? Was the scroll published? And once it is published how long does it take for orders to be IPERM'd ? Lots of questions with no answers haha... It's over a year since I was approved by my State board.
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CPT(P) (Join to see)
Has anyone actually reached out to their Congressman or Senator and spoke with them about this problem and lack of transparency?
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1LT (Join to see)
A few of us on P02-17 discussed in a post further up that we are waiting until our orders publish to write our congressional delegation so we have a kind of start and end date of our entire process. This is not a "big Army" issue, nor is it an Air Guard issue. It is an Army Guard issue and our congressional members is our only hope to fix this process!
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CPT(P) (Join to see) - I have; I sent an email a few days ago letting them know the process is broken.
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1LT (Join to see) - That's what I planned on doing as well. Seeing as how the "brake-down" seems to be at the Federal end of this, our elected officials seem to be the only persons who could do anything.
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I heard back from NGB regarding U01-17. This scroll was approved by the SecDef on 28 March 2017. They said they typically get orders out 2-4 weeks after the approval date. So I guess that would be within 4-18 days from now.
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1LT (Join to see) - So just to summarize the timeline on my scroll. It was approved at SecDef on day 165. Yesterday was day 185 when the orders were actually published.
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CW5 (Join to see) - That is awesome.... as our scroll now sits at day 187 still "waiting sec def". This is unreal.
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Update:Awaiting Off of Sec of Defense approval; U01-17; 174 Days in DoD Approval cycle...
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U10-16 published at 171 days last week. Congratulation to the three new CW2's in Oregon and the rest that waited on this list. I hope this places me, U02-17 currently 138 days, at around 40 more days if what I have been tracking is close to the norm.
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MAJ(P) (Join to see)
The way I figure, since most of this is probably run by Civilians, the hiring freeze that the CiC implemented is going to slow things down even more. I'm guessing they were short handed to begin with and telling them they can't hire more people unless it's justified as a critical position (which I'm guessing it'll be deemed that these positions are not) won't get any more people working on it, resulting in a larger backlog.
Good news is that this is the first scroll published since the new administration came in so that's a plus.
Good news is that this is the first scroll published since the new administration came in so that's a plus.
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U02-17 moved the Awaiting Office or Secretary of Defense 141 this morning, 141 Days
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Noticed the same for P02-17. It's good to see the system moves after a countless number of days in JAG
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I think it moves all the time but is not getting updated as mine was never at the JAG. It has been to three offices the entire time on the scrolls, day 1 it was at the Dep CoS G-1 and stayed there for 120 day until I turned red.
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According to our State HR office today, my husband's rank has changed on the P01-17 scroll from MAJ to LTC. It was explained that this happens when the scroll reaches the SEC DEC office and is usually within 1 month of the orders being published. (We do not know what date the rank changed, just that it has changed.) Hopefully, we are near the end of this very long process!
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Update:
As K Spouse has indicated, scroll P01-17 is at SecDef and the guy that updates the G1 site is back at work because my status changed. SecDef @ 149 days.
As K Spouse has indicated, scroll P01-17 is at SecDef and the guy that updates the G1 site is back at work because my status changed. SecDef @ 149 days.
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I was able to speak to a gentleman at NGB this morning (3/10/17). He confirmed that P01-17 is at OSD which is the last step in the 14-step process. He did not know how long the scroll would be at OSD, but he said there is "light at the end of the tunnel!" Hopefully it won't be much longer!!
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Status update: Moved a little. Says it's at JAG now after 96 days. However, I think it might have been there sooner. Know a guy in the scroll behind mine that had their status change to @ JAG as well today. So, I'm guessing that they're not very diligent at updating status on this thing like I've heard.
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1LT(P) (Join to see)
Do you know what the colors mean? I know what green and red mean, but what about white and yellow?
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Do you know what the colors mean? I know what green and red mean, but what about white and yellow?
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CPT Michael Ludwick
1LT(P) (Join to see) - Unfortunately, they don't mean much. Before the ticker starts, the color is white, Day 1-61 GREEN, Day 62-120 YELLOW, Day 121+ RED. When you're scroll publishes it should be GREEN again.
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Found this post on another site. I did a lot of Google research and hadn't seen this post before but there are a lot of people posting about their personal experiences with this process. The thing is that nobody is having the same experience, or so it seems. At any rate, someone that was on scroll 08-16 tracked the changes he saw on the G1 Personnel Gateway and put the number of days in the DoD Cycle that he was on when his status changed. Worth a look, lots of recent comments.
https://www.part-time-commander.com/vacancy-promotion-tips-for-army-national-guard-officers/
https://www.part-time-commander.com/vacancy-promotion-tips-for-army-national-guard-officers/
Vacancy Promotion Tips for Army National Guard Officers - Citizen Soldier Resource Center
One of the biggest advantages of serving in the Army National Guard in comparison to Active Duty or the Army Reserves is the ability to get vacancy promotions. In essence, this process is quite similar to getting promoted below the zone on Active Duty. A Vacancy Promotion is when an Officer gets promoted to fill …
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Just so you all don't have to hunt for it, I found this further down in the comments for this post. It appears a WO listed the order of all the offices a scroll has to go through. See the screenshot (the website won't let me highlight and copy the text).
Judging from this list, I'd say I'm on Step 6.
Judging from this list, I'd say I'm on Step 6.
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1LT (Join to see)
I'm actually wondering if our packets were at step 6. DCS G1 for the majority of the time they have been up there as the OTAJ is on step 4. Do we go back a step or is the OTAJ really OGC? Anyone have any insight?
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