When a retired reservist turns 60 are we issued a close-out DD-214 ?

I am a retired reservist, with 10 years active service and 17 reserve, when I retired I received a reserve retirement certificate and a DD Form 2 (Retired reservist ID Card).

LTC, how were you able to get past points updated, HRC told me that I can't since it has been too long. I told them I was not aware that I could claim certain trainings for points. HRC supervisor told me oh well.

I had signed copies of the required documents and submitted them within a few years of the events. SFC Michael Watkins, MPA/EM, CHPP, CJE -Sometimes I had to resubmit the paperwork because some of it was updated but other points were not.
I made a habit of checking the points while I was a DIMA. I di my best to only submit documents for undocumented points. However I did include a record of all points in the year in question. They needed to complete record for each year to verify which ones were not included. It was a painstaking process but it was worth it - I taught the rest of my DIMA unit how to do it.

SFC Michael Watkins, MPA/EM, CHPP, CJE - It's never too late to get your records corrected. If HRC won't do it politely when you provide the necessary documentation that shows the missing points, or if they won't do an audit when you point out a good reason to believe that during a particular period/dates are not correctly tallied into your retired point total, then you can submit a BCMR appeal to the Dept of Army.

Most reserves do not have the exact documents to prove the points they were credited with, let alone to prove the points they WEREN'T credited with. Here's one way to work the issue:

1. Painfully pull out all the documents you DO have that show your points, pay documents, LES's, annual point statements, anything in your OMPF that shows points.

2. Put them on a big table and start working through which ones are helpful and which ones aren't to prove your case. Since you are starting the process under the Army's assumption that everything that HRC has on you is 100% correct...and time isn't on your side as memories fade, documents disappear, rules change, etc.

3. The burden of proof is essentially on you to prove, by brute force if you have documents that show points that HRC does not, OR by successfully arguing and presenting evidence that goes to prove your points should have been included but weren't.

4. If you have the brute force proof, package it up, explain what is wrong with your points and how the evidence you submit "fixes" the error, and submit to BCMR. If HRC won't work the issue, which they should...

5. If you have to prove it without direct evidence of error, you have to build the case to prove it. A performance evaluation or travel document covering specifically a period that HRC shows no points for. A pay document like a monthly LES showing you were paid or earned reserve retirement points in a particular month but the numbers for that anniversary year don't add up. A contract document showing you switched from Reserve to Regular (or back) in a given anniversary year, and the reserve membership points for that year were not correct (I've seen that a few times). A statement from your former commander that you performed non-paid duties during a particular period, on certain dates, that were incorrectly not added to your records (say you were assisting the recruiting effort, or routinely attended "pre-drill" meetings the night before MUTA's but never got the credit for them), etc.

6. Package it all up, send to HRC first and let them have a chance to fix it. If they won't, send to BCMR, and ask specifically for an audit of the anniversary years in question, as BCMR will have expertise and access to records that you won't.

Good luck.
WKB

agreed, my issue is some years later I learned I was able to claim points for things I was not aware of at that time, HRC refuses to update saying it is "THEIR" policy not to allow point updates past 90 days if I remember, even though the reg doesn't say that.

If the CoC doesn't help, then your legislator is the route. "Policy" that takes away from what was performed/earned gets frowned on by the Pols, especially in today's environment. This is true especially when the report comes out annually and that means 75% of the errors are outside their arbitrary timeframe. Frame it that way.

SFC Michael Watkins, MPA/EM, CHPP, CJE - A BCMR appeal might prevail. But don't wait. Research it, and submit. You'll never get it if you don't, you might if you do. Cheers,

Thanks LTC Stephen C.. It sounds like you received one DD214 in total.

That's correct, LTC Stephen F..

A DD 214 is a release from Active Duty and isn't given when you retire from the reserves as you are not released from Active Duty at that time.