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Greetings,
I'm a senior in college looking to join the Army through OCS. My recruiter tells me I can do an option where I enlist directly and after I get assigned to a unit, then I can go to Army OCS by going to some office on base ?? I don't see anything about this path online, so is he just full of sh!t? I already took the ASVAB and have a score in the 98th percentile.
I'm a senior in college looking to join the Army through OCS. My recruiter tells me I can do an option where I enlist directly and after I get assigned to a unit, then I can go to Army OCS by going to some office on base ?? I don't see anything about this path online, so is he just full of sh!t? I already took the ASVAB and have a score in the 98th percentile.
Posted 4 y ago
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Your recruiter is trying to screw you. Stop talking to a recruiter for enlisted personnel and talk to a recruiter for officers. They aren’t the same thing. If you’re in the 98th percentile, that’s like a gold star for your recruiter. Worst case scenario, talk to somebody at your ROTC program or the nearest one to your location and get advice.
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Harun Kiani
MAJ (Join to see) - Used this once, unfortunately they connected me to the recruiter I am talking to now. I'll have to reach out to other centers near me, which shouldn't be a problem because there are lots of them in my city.
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SGT (Join to see)
Wish I had you to tell me this when I told my recruiter I wanted to be a pilot. “Become a 15t crewchief it’s the first step” and here I am still trying to escape the enlisted life
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If you enlist here's what has to happen:
1) Basic Training - 2 months
2) AIT - 4-6 months depending on MOS (could be a year if you get a very technical MOS like UAV pilot or EOD).
3) Then once you go to your unit after Basic/AIT you sweet talk your squad leader to get permission to talk to the platoon SGT so you can get permission to talk to the 1st SGT to get permission to talk to the Company Commander. With the commander’s blessing you can start a packet which will now be constantly interrupted with your working day and being in the Army. You’re now at risk of your entire enlisted chain of command feeling threatened by your ambitions (only one of which is needed to roadblock the entire process).
3a) You’re probably looking at an entire year after the 6 months you put in training to get in a position to be able to convince your Chain of Command to start the OCS packet.
4) Oh, yea, by now, the company commander and or 1st SGT might have left the unit and you have to start the permissions all over again for a packet you haven’t even completed yet. I personally had to go through four different company commanders before my packet was finally submitted and accepted, and the Commander that the packet was approved under was not the commander that finally released me from the unit once I was selected.
5) Depending on your “timing” you could be up against the wall with trying to complete the packet, or essentially wait an entire year.
6) Once the packet is finally completed you are looking at an entire year before the results are published.
7) Once the OCS selection has been completed, well, now you have to wait for your OCS school to start, and then after that you go to BOLC so that’s another 6 months.
Where are we at now? 0.5 years (TRADOC), 1.0 years earning trust of COC, 1.0 years for selection process (assuming best case timing), then 0.5 years of OCS and BOLC. Yep, 3 years at best with an enlistment scenario. By now you are just about done with your initial enlistment.
Also, you are under the microscope as a soldier submitting a packet. The Army knows everything about you. As a civilian, some of your less desirable attributes can be kept under the rug. Petty things like barracks inspection could derail the process through your Chain of Command. Also, all your letters of references will now need to be your company commander at minimum and then his boss (Battalion CO) or better.
As a civilian you get to work on your packet on your own time, and don’t need permission from anyone. You choose your letters of references and no one is going to have given you a counseling statement on crispness of the folds on your bed sheets.
At worst, if you submit a packet as a civilian and you are not selected you might lose 1.5 year of spinning your wheels. At that point you can reevaluate if you want to take the enlistment path at which will be a take it or leave it option.
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One of the best things I did in my life is enlist at 38 (my only option) with a Master’s degree and 20 years in the civilian sector, then eat crow for 4 years cutting my way through the Commissioning Process. It sucks, and you have to be willing to eat shit and say, “yum, may I have seconds”.
1) Basic Training - 2 months
2) AIT - 4-6 months depending on MOS (could be a year if you get a very technical MOS like UAV pilot or EOD).
3) Then once you go to your unit after Basic/AIT you sweet talk your squad leader to get permission to talk to the platoon SGT so you can get permission to talk to the 1st SGT to get permission to talk to the Company Commander. With the commander’s blessing you can start a packet which will now be constantly interrupted with your working day and being in the Army. You’re now at risk of your entire enlisted chain of command feeling threatened by your ambitions (only one of which is needed to roadblock the entire process).
3a) You’re probably looking at an entire year after the 6 months you put in training to get in a position to be able to convince your Chain of Command to start the OCS packet.
4) Oh, yea, by now, the company commander and or 1st SGT might have left the unit and you have to start the permissions all over again for a packet you haven’t even completed yet. I personally had to go through four different company commanders before my packet was finally submitted and accepted, and the Commander that the packet was approved under was not the commander that finally released me from the unit once I was selected.
5) Depending on your “timing” you could be up against the wall with trying to complete the packet, or essentially wait an entire year.
6) Once the packet is finally completed you are looking at an entire year before the results are published.
7) Once the OCS selection has been completed, well, now you have to wait for your OCS school to start, and then after that you go to BOLC so that’s another 6 months.
Where are we at now? 0.5 years (TRADOC), 1.0 years earning trust of COC, 1.0 years for selection process (assuming best case timing), then 0.5 years of OCS and BOLC. Yep, 3 years at best with an enlistment scenario. By now you are just about done with your initial enlistment.
Also, you are under the microscope as a soldier submitting a packet. The Army knows everything about you. As a civilian, some of your less desirable attributes can be kept under the rug. Petty things like barracks inspection could derail the process through your Chain of Command. Also, all your letters of references will now need to be your company commander at minimum and then his boss (Battalion CO) or better.
As a civilian you get to work on your packet on your own time, and don’t need permission from anyone. You choose your letters of references and no one is going to have given you a counseling statement on crispness of the folds on your bed sheets.
At worst, if you submit a packet as a civilian and you are not selected you might lose 1.5 year of spinning your wheels. At that point you can reevaluate if you want to take the enlistment path at which will be a take it or leave it option.
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One of the best things I did in my life is enlist at 38 (my only option) with a Master’s degree and 20 years in the civilian sector, then eat crow for 4 years cutting my way through the Commissioning Process. It sucks, and you have to be willing to eat shit and say, “yum, may I have seconds”.
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CPT (Join to see)
CPT (Join to see) - To be fair, my process went as well as it could have gone. As a reservist I had the advantage of personal time during the civilian work week. I could also interact with the Accessions Office at will during that time.
DON'T give up your civilian process advantage if you don't have to.
DON'T give up your civilian process advantage if you don't have to.
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CPT (Join to see)
CPT (Join to see) ahh, you were a Reservist the whole time, now it makes more sense
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1LT (Join to see)
Sir, I believe that is one of the reasons more officers are coming from ROTC program.
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CPT (Join to see)
1LT (Join to see) - ROTC is also the easiest path. Baby steps compared to an academy, and they aren't trying to cram it all into OCS.
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Some office? Uhm no. You have to do an OCS Packet and gain command endorsements. There is a centralized board. You may or may not get selected.
If you have 24 months left, go do ROTC.
If you are graduating nowish, you can apply for OCS as a civilian. Similar board process. You got to basic to OCS. If you bolo then you are enlisted or maybe separated.
If you have 24 months left, go do ROTC.
If you are graduating nowish, you can apply for OCS as a civilian. Similar board process. You got to basic to OCS. If you bolo then you are enlisted or maybe separated.
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Harun Kiani
Yea he told me once I get out of basic training and sent to my unit, I can go to an office on base where I apply to OCS and have a guaranteed slot. I knew it sounded bogus, but needed some actual confirmation. Thank you. I'll be looking for an honest recruiter now in order to start my OCS packet.
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SFC (Join to see)
Harun Kiani the office he's talking about is the education office. You don't need to go to the education office though to apply for OCS, you do it on your own.
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Wow, there’s quite a few people who don’t actually know what they’re telling you or have very outdated information. For background, I came into the Army through OCS and I just left an 18 month assignment as an OCS instructor at Fort Benning, so those are my qualifications to speak on this subject. Entering into OCS as a civilian is possible and these days most OCS Candidates are civilians, not prior service.
In terms of speaking to your recruiter, there is no such thing as an Officer recruiter in the Army, any recruiter at any recruiting station can put you into OCS, it just requires a lot more work for them so most will try to bullshit you and tell you that your chances are much better if you go enlisted first, that is 100% false. When you talk to your recruiter, tell them that you want to join as an Officer and that if they don’t want to put in the effort then you’ll go to a different recruiter or different branch, it’s your choice, don’t let them swindle you into doing something you don’t want to. The process can take a bit of time and I’m not sure how long it’s taking these days. Just be sure that your contract says 09S as your MOS. That’s what guarantees you a slot in OCS after basic training.
And no, there is no magic office on post you go to, to attend OCS. If you are enlisted and want to do OCS, your chain of command has to be willing to sign off on it and allow you to apply. Some have better track records then others.
Now if you don’t manage to pass OCS then you serve out the rest of your contact as an enlisted Soldier in whatever MOS the Army needs at the moment.
In terms of speaking to your recruiter, there is no such thing as an Officer recruiter in the Army, any recruiter at any recruiting station can put you into OCS, it just requires a lot more work for them so most will try to bullshit you and tell you that your chances are much better if you go enlisted first, that is 100% false. When you talk to your recruiter, tell them that you want to join as an Officer and that if they don’t want to put in the effort then you’ll go to a different recruiter or different branch, it’s your choice, don’t let them swindle you into doing something you don’t want to. The process can take a bit of time and I’m not sure how long it’s taking these days. Just be sure that your contract says 09S as your MOS. That’s what guarantees you a slot in OCS after basic training.
And no, there is no magic office on post you go to, to attend OCS. If you are enlisted and want to do OCS, your chain of command has to be willing to sign off on it and allow you to apply. Some have better track records then others.
Now if you don’t manage to pass OCS then you serve out the rest of your contact as an enlisted Soldier in whatever MOS the Army needs at the moment.
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Nope, he wants to recruit you! You want an OCS contract. With your ASVAB score, hold your ground!
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MAJ Javier Rivera
Harun Kiani My Recruiting Badge is spinning as I read this posts; former recruiting commander here (retired of course)!!!!
Don’t be intimidated by the recruiter, he is trying to make mission and a 98 AFQT is perhaps his career’s highlight! Hence, next time you talk with him be specific but humble; only interested on the Officer program. Now, if you allow me, I would like to encourage you to check the “Street to Seat” program. It’s a helicopter pilot producing program (Warrant Officers) and you could be a good candidate. WO fly way more than officers do. Take a glimpse and see if it interest you. Just another option.
https://m.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/current-and-prior-service/advance-your-career/warrant-officer/flight-warrant-officers.m.html
Don’t be intimidated by the recruiter, he is trying to make mission and a 98 AFQT is perhaps his career’s highlight! Hence, next time you talk with him be specific but humble; only interested on the Officer program. Now, if you allow me, I would like to encourage you to check the “Street to Seat” program. It’s a helicopter pilot producing program (Warrant Officers) and you could be a good candidate. WO fly way more than officers do. Take a glimpse and see if it interest you. Just another option.
https://m.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/current-and-prior-service/advance-your-career/warrant-officer/flight-warrant-officers.m.html
Flight Warrant Officers | GoArmy.com
If you have dreamed of becoming a helicopter or fixed-wing pilot, the Army can help you turn that dream into a reality. Warrant Officers fly some of the most exciting, technologically advanced aircraft in the world.
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No. Have your recruiter submit your OCS packet.... Or you could join the ROTC unit at your school, get in a graduate program, and complete your requirements to commission.
From the sound of it, he is attempting to sway you to enlist.... Don't do that it you are shooting for a commission.
From the sound of it, he is attempting to sway you to enlist.... Don't do that it you are shooting for a commission.
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Don't do that.... Do OCS only. You should go straight from boot camp to OCS. no other unit in between. It looks like he's trying to get you in first and then you apply once you're in. Way More difficult and it can add years to your progression.
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Harun Kiani
Thank you. That's seems to be what he's most likely trying to. In addition, as opposed to what I've read online, my recruiter insists I have a guaranteed slot into OCS once becoming enlisted.
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CPT (Join to see)
Harun Kiani the only guarantee you'll have for an OCS slot is if your contract states that you are an 09S Commissioned Officer Candidate.
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Harun Kiani … concur with LTC (Join to see) when he states that you'll need to get the "OCS Option" in your contract before signing. I had a couple of people in my OCS class that we're prior service, but had the OCS Option for pursuing their commission. Good luck to you!
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Harun Kiani
This "OCS Option" in my contract would ensure direct entry into OCS upon completion of graduate training?
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LTC (Join to see)
Harun Kiani - It has to say in the Contract - OCS Option. If not, you'll have to enlist & either get admitted to Officer Candidate School (OCS) or get out later and complete the Reserve Officer Training Course (ROTC) to be commissioned. This could essentially be a process of a number of years through ROTC. If you have a bachelors degree you can get the OCS Option. Just get it in writing first before you sign anything...
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09S - if that's your contract: 1) you go to Army Basic, 2) you return (i.e. don't got to AIT), 3) the sponsoring unit will have you at OCS.
I did this. 0(zero) 9(nine) S(Sierra), must be your contract.
09R is ROTC.
I did this. 0(zero) 9(nine) S(Sierra), must be your contract.
09R is ROTC.
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Harun Kiani
What do you mean by sponsoring unit, by the way? And thank you for the help! I appreciate it tons
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CPT Lawrence Cable
Harun Kiani - Are you National Guard? Either way, you can join on an OCS contract. The only difference is that there are Three different OCS programs in the National Guard available in most States, the regular Federal OCS at Benning is the State will fund it, the 14 month NG OCS program (two Annual Trainings and 12 months of weekend drills), or an Accelerated OCS. If you go Guard, you would complete Basic Training, then Drill at a unit until the next OCS class opened up.
But to repeat myself, you can enlist in the Army on an OCS contract that sends you to BCT and then to OCS. You do not get sent to a unit and you don't have to apply again.
But to repeat myself, you can enlist in the Army on an OCS contract that sends you to BCT and then to OCS. You do not get sent to a unit and you don't have to apply again.
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Get OCS in your enlistment contract before you join. If you decide to get an enlisted MOS first your chances of getting OCS will diminish significantly until you get to your reenlistment window. You will have to go through a selection process as a civilian (get your packet together, go through an interview, packet and interview results go to a selection board, etc.). I suggest getting it done up front. It’s your future and your career, not your recruiters. Check out https://www.armyocs.com/ for more information about the process...I think there is still some legit information there.
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Harun Kiani
This "OCS Option" in my contract would ensure direct entry into OCS upon completion of basic training? Thank you for the information by the way- really appreciate it.
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Harun Kiani
Harun Kiani - Sorry stupid question, just re-read what you wrote. Yup, I totally agree. I might just find a different recruiter to start my OCS process
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LTC (Join to see)
Harun Kiani I would also recommend that you do the research and start putting your packet together. The recruiter probably has no idea how to do it.
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