Posted on Dec 6, 2013
What is your opinion about Service Dogs used to help a Veteran through his/her personal battle with Combat PTSD?
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Should they be made more readily available? Should this be reduced as an option for treatment? Should the VA provide more assistance and education on this alternative?
Posted 11 y ago
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I'm proud of the 4 months that I spent in the VA's residential PTSD program. It was used against me in divorce court, which was disgraceful, but I stood proud and let them make an ass out of themselves. During my time in the program, one thing is certain, the service dogs were the best therapists. A good dog has emotional radar. When their fur-less pet is having a bad day, they are the first to know it. That wet nose is heading right for your forearm for a nudge. When you are having a hard time dealing with grief and loss, a dog is never judgmental, they are fantastic listeners, and they always agree with us whenever we need to vent about the VA pissing us off. We have to care for them, nurture them, and clean up after them. It is a great way to remember that life has a way of going on. We are the most important thing in someone's life. We experience unconditional love in the purest, most basic form. They pull us out of our shells. They are fantastic icebreakers. We might not want to talk about ANYTHING, but we can always talk about our dogs. Before long, the conversations include more than just what is happening in the dog's life, and we can open up about our own life.
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I think it is brilliant. Did you know there is such thing as a 'Dog University'? Dogs can be so beneficial to society: http://www.berginu.edu/
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My girlfriend helped me get a small dog to help with PTSD and just for good companionship. I can tell you my little 5 lb. Chihuahua/Terrier mix has been quite a blessing in my life. I often isolate from people and places (physically or just "checking out"). I have heard that an official service dog is expensive and long waits, but one way or another dogs are wonderful for helping to relieve the symptoms and just bonding in general. Thanks for such an excellent topic :)
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SFC Douglas B. Hull
Great problem is that very few places are aware of service dogs and think the individual is faking it or has a vision problem. Few folks recognize that there
are problems that do not show but are as disabling as lost of a limb or eye.
are problems that do not show but are as disabling as lost of a limb or eye.
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My pets have helped in my recovery from PTSD and Depression and my mother's dog has been a blessing to me. There should be more service dogs available as an alterntive holistic healing therapy.
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You can see my opinion about Service Dogs (and what good they do) in two of my posts:
1) Gaining Freedom - A Personal Journey in Surviving PTS and TBI, and
2) Watching your brother/sister's back - helping fellow Servicemembers and Veterans
as well as related info in my other post: Getting Real About PTS And TBI
As for your questions, yes, they should be more available, yes, they should be a (strongly recommended) option for treatment, and yes, the VA should provide more assistance and education on this alternative. All of these would save lives. Period.
1) Gaining Freedom - A Personal Journey in Surviving PTS and TBI, and
2) Watching your brother/sister's back - helping fellow Servicemembers and Veterans
as well as related info in my other post: Getting Real About PTS And TBI
As for your questions, yes, they should be more available, yes, they should be a (strongly recommended) option for treatment, and yes, the VA should provide more assistance and education on this alternative. All of these would save lives. Period.
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SPC Sven Pacot
Thank you for your input, SgtMaj Kuiken. I agree with you on the account if the VA was more cooperative in this issue we wouldn't have 22 vets committing suicide daily.
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1SG John Stepaniak
I do not at this time have a service dog, but I have a rescued pit bull. The vet he visits thinks that he may have PTSD as well since he was rescued from a drug bust in Boston. My pit bull knows when my PTSD is acting up or close to acting up, he assist me in remaining calm and keeps me out of trouble. He has come between myself and others that he feels may attempt to harm me (and then he and I would kick some butt). There are many organizations that offer PTSD service dogs and these dogs are also given an additional 30 plus commands since his owner has PTSD over what normal service dogs are taught.
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Benjamin Finnell
American Fork, UT
I arrived at the VA Hospital in Salt Lake this morning much like any other time I have gone there, with my service dog Norman at my side. This time, however, I was met at the entrance by a uniformed Police Officer. Yes, the VA has their own police force, but that is a different issue. The reason the VA Police officer cited for stopping me was that the Salt Lake City VA Hospital does not recognize PTSD service dogs as being service animals. He refused to recognize the prescription from my physician, the tags identifying him as a service animal, and the federal law (Americans with Disabilities Act) that requires that they grant access to ALL service animals.
Instead, the administration of the VA Healthcare System in Salt Lake have created a sub-class of service animal that they have declared "of no real use" (the officer's words). He claimed that dogs cannot be trained to performs tasks for PTSD, that they either "are born with the instinct to do it, or not, but it can't be trained." Regardless of the falsity of his logic, federal law requires ALL service animals be granted access, not just some.
After much lecturing and telling me how I was wrong for calling my dog a service dog (I have a prescription from my physician and he is properly trained to do specific tasks, which makes him a service dog), the officer provided me with a copy of the VAMC Salt Lake City policy (dated March 5, 2014) on which he highlighted the section covering therapy, companion, and emotional support animals (because that is what he said they considered my service dog). Nowhere in their guidance does it prohibit PTSD service dogs by name, but the VA Salt Lake City Police are using this document to categorically discriminate against servicemembers who have PTSD and use a service dog to help manage their PTSD. When I pointed out that it did not prohibit PTSD service animals and listed the tasks that Norman (my service dog) performs, he stated that only physical tasks were recognized. He then proceeded to discount the necessity of having a service dog for epilepsy or diabetes because "we are in a hospital, so if they need medical care, they are right here." He continued to lecture and berate me for fifteen minutes while I attempted to excuse myself (I wouldn't leave without a written copy of the policy, so he delayed making the copy while he lectured some more).
Interestingly, the VA themselves are currently running a clinical trial on the benefits of service dogs for PTSD (http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT01329341). If they are willing to concede that there is likely a clinical benefit to having a service dog for PTSD, why then would they not allow someone who has a service dog and at the same time to access the health care that they are entitled to?
Some of you may wonder, "What does a service dog actually do for PTSD?" The reference at (http://www.iaadp.org/psd_tasks.html) has some wonderful answers, but the truth is that just like every other service animal, they are trained to perform specific tasks that aid their owner/handler in dealing with/overcoming their disability. But the key thing is that these must be specific, concrete, identifiable tasks that you can point to and say "This is what my service dog does to deal with my disability."
During my service, I earned a Purple Heart, a Bronze Star (with combat "V"), and am now rated 100% disabled due to my PTSD. The VA should not deny me access to care based on the fact that I have a service dog. Please consider signing my petition to change this policy at Change.org: https://www.change.org/petitions/sen-orrin-hatch-investigate-the-systematic-violation-of-the-americans-with-disabilities-act-ada-by-the-va-medical-center-in-salt-lake-city
More links on service dogs for PTSD:
http://www.americanhumane.org/interaction/programs/servicedogsforveterans/
http://www.nami.org/ADVTemplate.cfm?Section=Advocate_Magazine&template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=109134
American Fork, UT
I arrived at the VA Hospital in Salt Lake this morning much like any other time I have gone there, with my service dog Norman at my side. This time, however, I was met at the entrance by a uniformed Police Officer. Yes, the VA has their own police force, but that is a different issue. The reason the VA Police officer cited for stopping me was that the Salt Lake City VA Hospital does not recognize PTSD service dogs as being service animals. He refused to recognize the prescription from my physician, the tags identifying him as a service animal, and the federal law (Americans with Disabilities Act) that requires that they grant access to ALL service animals.
Instead, the administration of the VA Healthcare System in Salt Lake have created a sub-class of service animal that they have declared "of no real use" (the officer's words). He claimed that dogs cannot be trained to performs tasks for PTSD, that they either "are born with the instinct to do it, or not, but it can't be trained." Regardless of the falsity of his logic, federal law requires ALL service animals be granted access, not just some.
After much lecturing and telling me how I was wrong for calling my dog a service dog (I have a prescription from my physician and he is properly trained to do specific tasks, which makes him a service dog), the officer provided me with a copy of the VAMC Salt Lake City policy (dated March 5, 2014) on which he highlighted the section covering therapy, companion, and emotional support animals (because that is what he said they considered my service dog). Nowhere in their guidance does it prohibit PTSD service dogs by name, but the VA Salt Lake City Police are using this document to categorically discriminate against servicemembers who have PTSD and use a service dog to help manage their PTSD. When I pointed out that it did not prohibit PTSD service animals and listed the tasks that Norman (my service dog) performs, he stated that only physical tasks were recognized. He then proceeded to discount the necessity of having a service dog for epilepsy or diabetes because "we are in a hospital, so if they need medical care, they are right here." He continued to lecture and berate me for fifteen minutes while I attempted to excuse myself (I wouldn't leave without a written copy of the policy, so he delayed making the copy while he lectured some more).
Interestingly, the VA themselves are currently running a clinical trial on the benefits of service dogs for PTSD (http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT01329341). If they are willing to concede that there is likely a clinical benefit to having a service dog for PTSD, why then would they not allow someone who has a service dog and at the same time to access the health care that they are entitled to?
Some of you may wonder, "What does a service dog actually do for PTSD?" The reference at (http://www.iaadp.org/psd_tasks.html) has some wonderful answers, but the truth is that just like every other service animal, they are trained to perform specific tasks that aid their owner/handler in dealing with/overcoming their disability. But the key thing is that these must be specific, concrete, identifiable tasks that you can point to and say "This is what my service dog does to deal with my disability."
During my service, I earned a Purple Heart, a Bronze Star (with combat "V"), and am now rated 100% disabled due to my PTSD. The VA should not deny me access to care based on the fact that I have a service dog. Please consider signing my petition to change this policy at Change.org: https://www.change.org/petitions/sen-orrin-hatch-investigate-the-systematic-violation-of-the-americans-with-disabilities-act-ada-by-the-va-medical-center-in-salt-lake-city
More links on service dogs for PTSD:
http://www.americanhumane.org/interaction/programs/servicedogsforveterans/
http://www.nami.org/ADVTemplate.cfm?Section=Advocate_Magazine&template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=109134
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SgtMaj James Kuiken
LTJG Benjamin Finnell, I don't know if you've gotten any definitive answer on this yet, but when my service dog was trained and certified (under the ADI), we were also issued a card JUST FOR THE VA... and it states:
"HR 1627 Sec. 109 - Use of Service Dogs on Property of the Department of Veteran's Affairs.
(f)(1) The Secretary may not prohibit the use of a covered service dog in any facility or on any property of the Department or in any facility or on any property that receives funding from the Secretary.
(2) For the purposes of this subsection, a covered service dog is a service dog that has been trained by an entity that is accredited by an appropriate accrediting body that evaluates and accredits organizations which train guide or service dogs."
Signed into Law August 6th, 2012.
The ADI (Assistance Dogs International) is one such recognized "appropriate accrediting body".
I hope this helps.
"HR 1627 Sec. 109 - Use of Service Dogs on Property of the Department of Veteran's Affairs.
(f)(1) The Secretary may not prohibit the use of a covered service dog in any facility or on any property of the Department or in any facility or on any property that receives funding from the Secretary.
(2) For the purposes of this subsection, a covered service dog is a service dog that has been trained by an entity that is accredited by an appropriate accrediting body that evaluates and accredits organizations which train guide or service dogs."
Signed into Law August 6th, 2012.
The ADI (Assistance Dogs International) is one such recognized "appropriate accrediting body".
I hope this helps.
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SgtMaj James Kuiken
SGT Krista Burke, see my post: Gaining Freedom - A Personal Journey in Surviving PTS and TBI. In that post, you will see a link for K9s For Warriors. They can help with obtaining a Service Dog (specific to PTS/TBI), certified through the ADI, and free of charge to the Veteran. Let me know how it goes...
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CW3 Kevin Storm
See if you can find someone with a service miniature horse, yes they do exist and are recognized by the ADA, and bring it through the front door when he is there. The VA I work at is the opposite, we get every form of Dog coming through the front door. I have a coworker who is a Iraq vet who Brings Bravo to work daily, and he is a VA employee.
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I think it is a Great Idea, The unconditional love of my Border Collie Maggie was a great thing for me.
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I have no issue, it seems to help many people. I did encounter an active duty Marine who was being stationed OCONUS with a PTSD dog. I thought that was a bit weird, if he was that disabled what is the USMC doing sending him overseas?
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LTJG Benjamin Finnell
As long as it is a desk job and the facility had good mental health care available, why would they limit his geographical availability to CONUS postings? The geographical location of the job has very little to do with the stress level of the job.
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MSgt Tim Parkhurst
In many cases, removing a soldier, sailor or Marine from his unit and those he loves and served with can be the most damaging thing of all. Some leaders are beginning to recognize this, and are allowing Servicemen to remain with their unit as long as possible, as long as it doesn't negatively impact the mission.
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MSgt Tim Parkhurst if he is PCSing to OCONUS he is more than likely, going to a different unit.
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MSgt Tim Parkhurst
That may be SFC Leonard Pederson, but he's probably going to a similar unit within the same community. The idea is the same, with the end result being that the serviceman gets to remain on active duty and continue to serve. My point was that some commanders have become more enlightened than many have been in the past, and are taking care of the men on active duty rather than force them out and into the VA system just because some order or directive says they can.
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I think they are awesome. I have friends that use them and have had no complaints. It helps lit them know when an attack is coming and can help calm the vet down. I am aware of several programs if anyone is interested. I will get with one friend to see which ones she recommends. I hear there is a real good one in FL, but at the moment I can't remember the name. It is also probably best to help train your new buddy so you are on the same page. I just wonder when we can have them on active duty. That would be nice.
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I have a friend you has a cat to help with her ptsd. I enjoy this idea especially just for the reason that ptsd can create some social anxiety. a dog can help you at home or out and about in crowds or pen stress like parks.
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SGT(P) (Join to see)
Cats are good for at home, but dogs are much more trainable for public use. I'll miss my neighbors dog (as I'm sure she misses me. I think she thought I was part owner, as she was always at my place)
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