Posted on Dec 8, 2015
What are your thoughts on the French raids and closure of mosques?
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Following the attacks in Paris, France has raided and closed mosques in France.
Should the US and the rest of the world follow suite?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/french-authorities-close-four-mosques-during-state-of-emergency [login to see]
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/france-100-mosques-close [login to see] 23319.html
Should the US and the rest of the world follow suite?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/french-authorities-close-four-mosques-during-state-of-emergency [login to see]
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/france-100-mosques-close [login to see] 23319.html
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Posted 9 y ago
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Considering the evidence found, it seems the French are tired of being reactive in nature, this is not a condemnation of all practitioners of the religion. The French went after underground prayer centers and mosques that were under suspicion because of other information.
Ammunition, ISIS propaganda found after France mosque closure
http://www.news24.com/World/News/ammunition-isis-propaganda-found-after-france-mosque-closure-20151206
Ammunition, ISIS propaganda found after France mosque closure
http://www.news24.com/World/News/ammunition-isis-propaganda-found-after-france-mosque-closure-20151206
Ammunition, ISIS propaganda found after France mosque closure
Kalashnikov ammunition and Islamic State propaganda videos have been seized in raids following the closure of a mosque in the Paris suburbs, French authorities say.
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MAJ Matthew Arnold
Once a building is no longer a house of worship, and is in fact a training base and armory, it and the people involved should be investigated and arrested like any other criminal.
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SGT Jerrold Pesz
It doesn't mention it in the linked article but other news articles that I read tonight said that they also found 324 guns during the raids. Guns, ammo and boxes of ISIS propaganda doesn't sound much like a house of worship to me or at least one that should be allowed to continue to operate.
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SSG Norman Lihou
While France is not always perceived as a country of strength, they are on the front of fighting terrorism in Africa (former colonies of course) and have taken measures to protect their homeland without necessarily dealing with the political niceties or correctness that other countries encounter. This is not meant as an approval or disapproval, just an observation which makes it more of a humble opinion.
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LTC (Join to see)
I think we should remember that as with water the path of least resistance will likely be the route most will go. This is not to say we should have knee jerk reaction but we shouldn't leave ourselves open to harm. The problem is that we don't know where or when it will come next. The French didn't close down all the mosques, so they must have uncovered information regarding some activity at those which were closed down. Does closing the mosque make intelligence gathering harder? Driving them into other areas?
***I'm trying to say that I think countries which do not put up barriers, physical or otherwise will be where the terrorist will move to** They will move to where there is the least resistance to their entry.***
I think we should remember that as with water the path of least resistance will likely be the route most will go. This is not to say we should have knee jerk reaction but we shouldn't leave ourselves open to harm. The problem is that we don't know where or when it will come next. The French didn't close down all the mosques, so they must have uncovered information regarding some activity at those which were closed down. Does closing the mosque make intelligence gathering harder? Driving them into other areas?
***I'm trying to say that I think countries which do not put up barriers, physical or otherwise will be where the terrorist will move to** They will move to where there is the least resistance to their entry.***
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SCPO David Lockwood
THey are doing what they think they have to do to protect their citizens. Â Unlike our government who are too worried about upsetting people and groups.
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SSG Audwin Scott
I it shows they are fed up and have had enough, they are becoming a harder target by being aggressive by weeding out any possible terrorist cells.
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LTC (Join to see)
The French are also rounding up many of these militants, getting them off the streets should help too. Maybe just a change of tone from one of tolerance/inference to one of get along or get out...
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I think it is a positive sign LTC (Join to see) of calling a spade a spade. The French have been taking in refugees from predominantly Muslim states such Algeria, Iran, Mali, and now Syria. The shifting politics of France has for the u=time being enabled a government that seems to be serious about going to the root of the terrorist problem namely the mosques where wahhabi islam is preached and terrorism nurtured.
I hope the UK and the USA follow suit in terms of closing down those mosques that are hotbeds of terrorism within our respective nations.
I hope the UK and the USA follow suit in terms of closing down those mosques that are hotbeds of terrorism within our respective nations.
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SPC Andrew Griffin
The French Raids are Great! But you send a bad message when you close the Mosques!
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MAJ (Join to see)
If the raid turned up solid evidence why would you allow the "mosque" to operate? If you found a slave ring in the US would you not shut it down too? Freedom of Religion should not be used for freedom of traitors.
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Capt Mark Strobl
SPC Andrew Griffin - I'd think the government (or its police) could close a place of worship if is deemed a crime scene. And I doubt, the ACLU has a French attache.
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Capt Seid Waddell
SPC Andrew Griffin, it may be a bad message, but one that needs to be sent if the Mosque is being used to recruit terrorists. In that event it is not enough to close the Mosque - those recruiting terrorists need to be arrested and put away too.
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Looks like the French have defined their ROE's. If the mosque is being used for prayer services, religious education, and peaceful gathering of its congregation, ...well... it's off limits. However if the building is being used to coordinate attacks on its host, ...well.. it just became a target of interest. In the latter, the line between religious freedom and the government was effectively disposed.
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SSG Norman Lihou
Exactly Capt Mark Strobl, the French have taken the time to define the specific problem and have not given into fear by just casting a wide net over an entire religion.
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Depends on their reasoning under their laws. France doesn't play by our rules. We don't play by theirs.
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SSG Norman Lihou
another salient point PO3 Sherry Thornburg as this questions asks us to judge the behavior of another country however we have a tendency to project our biases (values, beliefs, perceptions) and then use language such as "If I were the French". This is not an accusation on anybody here but we are not living in a country that has had their newspaper reporters killed, police executed in the streets, citizens machine gunned down in the streets, attacks during a concert or seen buildings being blown up when law enforcement tries to stop the terrorists.
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Well with the recent attacks in France can you really blame them for being proactive and shutting down possible terrorist cells?
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LTC (Join to see)
SSG Audwin Scott I agree with you, I particularly liked the comment that they were rooting out the radical and not affecting the loyal Muslim community. Seems like the right approach to me.
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Does anyone know if the French authorities had "reason" to search the mosques other than the attacks? I am a great proponent of the rule of law. In the United States, an attack by Muslim terrorists would not warrant a search of a mosque with which they were not associated. French law is significantly different and I'm not sure of their requirements for a search warrant if, indeed, search warrants are used there. That being said, I will admit that I am not qualified to think much of anything about what they are doing in France. I only hope that here, in the US, we do things lawfully (and I hope that our law enforcement officials are paying attention to determine if searches may be warranted).
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I think we're two klicks away from putting them on trains and sending them to "camps". This is alarming. Whatever your opinion of Islam, we need to be make sure history does not repeat itself. Every cause needs a scapegoat.
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