So... What will it take for our current administration to (A) mutter the word Terrorism, and then (B) decide enough is enough?

add the pipe bombs and a gopro cams and it leans towards Terrorism and a recruiting video

PO2 Mark Saffell - I'm reserving judgement at the moment. It takes almost a week for the dust to settle after most of these events. The news agencies are just horrible about what is factual and not-factual. That said, it's a spectrum, and we've shifted pretty far away from the Workplace violence side.

MAJ Bryan Zeski - I have guns that I just think are cool. I want some cars that I just think are cool. Not because I ever want to drive them 200+ mph.

"Need" has nothing to do with the execution of Rights. And the Protection to the Right clearly says BEAR ARMS anyways. If Poll Taxes (on Voting) are Unconstitutional, then wouldn't comparable poll taxes on any other Protection also be? And the Government shouldn't have to "subsidize" the execution of a Right, on something which has become a de facto Poll Tax, because when those subsidies go away (For whatever reason), that becomes an infringement on said Right.

What happens when the Government puts you on 12 month Bureaucratic "wait list" for that subsidy, but you have an immediate need?

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS - I don't think that the right to bear arms is infringed by requiring that people be trained in those arms. You have the right to free speech, but even that has certain responsibilities that go with it - you can't yell fire in a crowded theater and expect it to be covered. People who wander around with loaded weapons and no training are similar - they are more of a liability than an asset in most situations.

SSG (Servicemember) - I understand that it's a right, not a privilege. I also understand that we are far removed from the time-frame that the right was established. Rights are not blanket statements to do whatever you want within that right - rights still have limits. Rights also come with responsibilities - and we have, for far too long, neglected to enforce the responsibilities that come with those rights.

I have no issue questioning policies, but every day that we continue to question them instead of making rational decisions, we continue to lose lives to negligent, untrained and irresponsible gun owners who are just "exercising their rights."

I don't want to "disarm the populace." I want to train the populace. I want to make the populace responsible for their actions - and right now, in regards to guns, they just aren't.

MAJ Bryan Zeski - Falsely yell fire in a theater is actually what that says. Not yell fire in a theater. And that that case was overturned and limited dramatically in scope in 1969 with Brandenburg v. Ohio, which changed it to "inciting a riot." There is a far cry difference between someone having a gun, and inciting a riot by mere LAWFUL possession.

I heard he was a citizen but I am not sure about his wife

PO2 Mark Saffell - So it COULD be said it is home grown, however, it appears that overseas travel, including Pakistan should be taken into account.

I agree and they have still not said anything about his wife.

True.

Good point there Cpl (Join to see) "Honesty is seldom rever heard, everyone is so untrue." Billy Joel

MAJ Bryan Zeski - No, I said it works for the Swiss, who seem to be more homogenous and who also honor their borders...as do the Israelis. Constitutional Carry works for me here in AZ despite our porous border situation.

CPO Andy Carrillo, MS - You said that "Arizona, Switzerland and Israel seem to have workable systems" for gun control in response to a question about what kind of gun control you would support in the US. Now, you seem a little wish-washy on that, backtracking a little with, "it works for the Swiss...." which is saying you don't think it would work here. But, if that's the case, why bring the Swiss or the Israeli gun-control measures up when we're talking about implementation in the United States? Would you, or would you not support the Swiss and/or Israeli method for gun control in the United States? You said it's a workable system. Everyone can cite the statistics that Switzerland and Israel both have lower gun crime issues... would you support it or not if introduced here?

MAJ Bryan Zeski - As in AZ, I would support every eligible and responsible, well-trained adult being armed (if they so choose). I would support taking the best practices from other programs and adapting them to our culture and circumstances. Gun control in Mexico apparently hasn't worked all that well, nor in Australia other than to make the sheep more vulnerable to the wolves. What do you alternatively propose?

CPO Andy Carrillo, MS - You mentioned Israel and Switzerland to begin with, I support their gun control programs. If you had the power, would you agree to implement their systems?

As for Australia, what evidence is there that their program has made "the sheep more vulnerable to the wolves"? There has been significant decreased in gun-caused deaths, no mass shootings (although they were rare before), and gun-related suicides and homicides are down. The last significant gun violence event was a guy with a sawed off shotgun with 15-20 year old shells.

As for what *I* would propose:
1. Required training before purchasing a firearm - 40 hours minimum with both written knowledge tests and practical qualification requirements on the type of firearm to be bought.
2. Annual re-qualification requirement as well.
3. Harsh penalties for allowing firearms to be stolen or lost through negligence or carelessness.

That's where I'd start.

Now, looking at Switzerland and Israel's laws, I could work with those as well - they are much more restrictive than my proposal - but everyone on the gun-wing seems to think they are workable so I'm willing to compromise.

COL Jean (John) F. B. Colonel, did you notice, you misspelled prostitutes? Was that a PC action?

CSM Charles Hayden - it was not PC, but it was on purpose. They are PRESStitutes.... They are whores for Obama and the Libtards (also not PC, but very accurate).

Cpl Jeff N. You are of course, referring to your president's approach to global warming? Does he have any other interests?

Anything other than an All Lives Matter attitude indicates racism.

Here in Canada there are a lot of stabbings of all races but Native Canadians, Indians, are way too common. There is racism among Native Americans themselves too and among Whites in the Western Provinces. Canadians look at Natives with contempt. Natives look at Natives with contempt.

Those who go to the city to work are a "sellout" to their culture. Those who do are called "apples"( Red on the outside and White on the inside by their race). 6% of the population and 50% of the jail inmates are native due to the broken family unit. Does this sound familiar to other minorites in the USA?

PTSD from Cultural Genoicde done over the last 100 years to force natives to be Christian and avoid their old good traditions and poverty is common. They listen to hip hop, have drive-by shootings. They do drugs and some even drive lowriders! Some talk in I be, you be, he be gangsta slang from the big inner cities of the USA. They emulate the Chicano and the disenfranchised and broken families of many African Americans. I am married to a Native and she avoids drugs, addictions, alcohol and the whole Reservation scene to be sober and work in the White Man's world and yet to go Sweats and Native Cultural Ceremonies. She helps those with addicitons. I am sure some African Americans are called "Oreos" for being successful by their own just like the Native Canadians are called "Apples". I am from Southern California originally and I see the parallels of rascism and inequality. It starts at home. Love your kid. be successful. Don't rely on welfare and the better-than-nothing mentality. Have pride in yourself, be generous to others of all races and creeds and a good upbringing be it Christian, Muslim, Judaism or Buddism or a good sense of purpose to avoid the pain and unneccessary killings by others and your own kind for stupid reason related often to drugs, gangs and alcohol.

Tim McVeigh on his worst day didn't kill 3,000+ that terrorists killed on 9-11; blacks kill more blacks than whites kill blacks; Planned Parenthood kills more babies than babies kill abortionists (sarc). I fail to see any moral equivalency between killings.

LTC (Join to see) - Beautifully stated. I paraphrase Golda Meir: when everyone loves their children more than they hate others, then will there be peace. But some parents couldn't care less, or even prefer their children become martyrs.