Posted on Jun 16, 2015
Sikh Wins Court Case To Join ROTC: Is this a victory for religious freedom or did the court go too far?
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A Federal Judge has ruled that Iknoor Singh's adherence to his Sikh faith - wearing facial hair, keeping his hair long, but wrapped in a turban, and carrying a sharp knife on his person - would not diminish his capacity to serve the nation he loves, the United States of America, as a future Officer in the United States Army. Do you feel too many allowances are being made for his faith or do you feel he should be welcomed into the ranks if he can successfully fulfill the requirements for Commissioning? What say you, RP?
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(Note: Full article added by RP Staff.)
MINEOLA, NY — A Sikh college student from New York said Monday he is excited about a federal court decision that will permit him to enroll in the U.S. Army's Reserve Officer Training Corps without shaving his beard, cutting his hair, or removing his turban.
U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson issued the ruling Friday in Washington, D.C., saying 20-year-old Iknoor Singh's adherence to his religious beliefs would not diminish his ability to serve in the military.
"I didn't believe it at first when I heard about the decision," said Singh, who lives in the New York City borough of Queens.
He told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Monday: "It was kind of surreal. This is something I have been fighting for for two or three years. I'm excited and nervous; very excited to learn."
Singh, who will be a junior next fall studying finance and business analytics at Hofstra University on Long Island, said he has had a lifelong interest in public service. He speaks four languages — English, Punjabi, Hindi, and Urdu — and he said he wants to work in military intelligence.
"Becoming an officer is not an easy thing," he conceded. "You have to be proficient in many areas."
Sikhism, a 500-year-old religion founded in India, requires its male followers to wear a turban and beard and keep their hair uncut.
Under a policy announced last year, troops can seek waivers on a case-by-case basis to wear religious clothing, seek prayer time or engage in religious practices. Approval depends on where the service member is stationed and whether the change would affect military readiness or the mission.
Currently, only a few Sikhs serve in the U.S. Army who have been granted religious accommodations.
In her ruling, Jackson said, "It is difficult to see how accommodating plaintiff's religious exercise would do greater damage to the Army's compelling interests in uniformity, discipline, credibility, unit cohesion, and training than the tens of thousands of medical shaving profiles the Army has already granted."
Army spokesman, Lt. Col. Ben Garrett, said in a statement the decision is currently being examined. "The Army takes pride in sustaining a culture where all personnel are treated with dignity and respect and not discriminated against based on race, color, religion, gender and national origin," he said.
Hofstra spokeswoman Karla Schuster said in a statement that the university "supports Mr. Singh's desire to serve his country, as well as his right to religious expression and practice. We are pleased that the courts have affirmed that he can do both as a member of the ROTC."
Gurjot Kaur, senior staff attorney for the Sikh Coalition, said the decision was "an important victory in the fight for religious freedom. We urge the Pentagon to eliminate the discriminatory loopholes in its policies and give all Americans an equal opportunity to serve in our nation's armed forces."
The American Civil Liberties Union and a group called United Sikhs jointly represented Singh in the case.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/sikh-student-queens-clear-join-army-rotc-article-1.2259423
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(Note: Full article added by RP Staff.)
MINEOLA, NY — A Sikh college student from New York said Monday he is excited about a federal court decision that will permit him to enroll in the U.S. Army's Reserve Officer Training Corps without shaving his beard, cutting his hair, or removing his turban.
U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson issued the ruling Friday in Washington, D.C., saying 20-year-old Iknoor Singh's adherence to his religious beliefs would not diminish his ability to serve in the military.
"I didn't believe it at first when I heard about the decision," said Singh, who lives in the New York City borough of Queens.
He told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Monday: "It was kind of surreal. This is something I have been fighting for for two or three years. I'm excited and nervous; very excited to learn."
Singh, who will be a junior next fall studying finance and business analytics at Hofstra University on Long Island, said he has had a lifelong interest in public service. He speaks four languages — English, Punjabi, Hindi, and Urdu — and he said he wants to work in military intelligence.
"Becoming an officer is not an easy thing," he conceded. "You have to be proficient in many areas."
Sikhism, a 500-year-old religion founded in India, requires its male followers to wear a turban and beard and keep their hair uncut.
Under a policy announced last year, troops can seek waivers on a case-by-case basis to wear religious clothing, seek prayer time or engage in religious practices. Approval depends on where the service member is stationed and whether the change would affect military readiness or the mission.
Currently, only a few Sikhs serve in the U.S. Army who have been granted religious accommodations.
In her ruling, Jackson said, "It is difficult to see how accommodating plaintiff's religious exercise would do greater damage to the Army's compelling interests in uniformity, discipline, credibility, unit cohesion, and training than the tens of thousands of medical shaving profiles the Army has already granted."
Army spokesman, Lt. Col. Ben Garrett, said in a statement the decision is currently being examined. "The Army takes pride in sustaining a culture where all personnel are treated with dignity and respect and not discriminated against based on race, color, religion, gender and national origin," he said.
Hofstra spokeswoman Karla Schuster said in a statement that the university "supports Mr. Singh's desire to serve his country, as well as his right to religious expression and practice. We are pleased that the courts have affirmed that he can do both as a member of the ROTC."
Gurjot Kaur, senior staff attorney for the Sikh Coalition, said the decision was "an important victory in the fight for religious freedom. We urge the Pentagon to eliminate the discriminatory loopholes in its policies and give all Americans an equal opportunity to serve in our nation's armed forces."
The American Civil Liberties Union and a group called United Sikhs jointly represented Singh in the case.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/sikh-student-queens-clear-join-army-rotc-article-1.2259423
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How many times does the Army have to endure the PC bull crap. This guy cant meet the standards so he should not be allowed in the Army now it say's he is in ROTC nothing say's yet he is in the Army. Lets hope they tell him to take a leap off a cliff. Scout's Out
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SGT (Join to see)
Easy! It's just his opinion. Not one that I agree with at all... but, you know what I am saying. :-)
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SPC Christian Ziegler
Sgt Richard Buckner by no means did I really mean for him to jump off a cliff. I meant that they should not let him in, and my comment is my opinion. I never called him a name or degraded him in anyway. The term "go jump of a cliff" means for people to go away. So what part of my comment was out of line and stupid.
As for the rest of you 3 gentlemen that wrote comments wow just wow. I guess when someone say's "go play in the highway" you take that literal too right. Scout's Out
As for the rest of you 3 gentlemen that wrote comments wow just wow. I guess when someone say's "go play in the highway" you take that literal too right. Scout's Out
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Maj Mike Sciales
Pretty short sighted scout. I missed something here -- do you speak 4 languages currently in demand by our forces? Can you survive and operate inside an enemy stronghold? Can you collect real time hummint? No because you are a scout and that requires certain skill sets. Hummint requires other certain skills which you can never hope to obtain, so while we all appreciate the sincerity of your comments and support your strongly held beliefs, it'd be much better if you concentrated on finding out how to utilize the treasure trove of intel a fellow like him can bring to the table. I'd take a thousand more like him in a minute.
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Lt Col (Join to see)
Well...they commissioned this guy back in 2010...
http://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/npr/125142736/sikhs-regain-right-to-wear-turbans-in-u-s-army
http://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/npr/125142736/sikhs-regain-right-to-wear-turbans-in-u-s-army
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If he loves this country as much as he says then he should put himself second and his country first and align with one of the organizations that help ensure he has a country to love.
Pretty soon (perhaps we are already there) anything will go. Why wear uniforms, why have standards. Wear whatever you "feel" you identify with. I have no issue with his religion or him practicing it but when he must have a special accommodation which no one else gets, then we've gone too far. How many Sikh converts do you think we will have in the next year or two?
Pretty soon (perhaps we are already there) anything will go. Why wear uniforms, why have standards. Wear whatever you "feel" you identify with. I have no issue with his religion or him practicing it but when he must have a special accommodation which no one else gets, then we've gone too far. How many Sikh converts do you think we will have in the next year or two?
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Cpl Jeff N.
SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA . You did that the moment you signed the enlistment contract. You have the UCMJ, uniforms you must wear, they can send you where you don't want to go and the list goes on and on and on. In order for the military to work, they have to have more sway over you than the average civilian or it would never work. You should know that, you are an NCO in the Army.
No one is suggesting he must give up practicing his religion only that he conform to the standard uniform regulations EVERYONE else must. When the Wiccan want to wear their funny shoes with the rolled up pointy toes are we going to have to let them too?
No one is suggesting he must give up practicing his religion only that he conform to the standard uniform regulations EVERYONE else must. When the Wiccan want to wear their funny shoes with the rolled up pointy toes are we going to have to let them too?
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SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA
Well, I am an NCO in the US Army and I am as of yet to surrender any right afforded to me by the US Constitution. In fact, no one has ever asked me to do so, even with enlistment contracts signed.
To the Sikh citizens OTOH, the imposition of what basically amounts to "reject your religion to join the US Army" is basically a surrender of their rights.
To the Sikh citizens OTOH, the imposition of what basically amounts to "reject your religion to join the US Army" is basically a surrender of their rights.
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Cpl Jeff N.
SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA . Then you should try a few things to see what rights you actually have or have not given up while serving
1. Challenge a lawful order you disagree with to a senior leader and refuse to do it as a matter of free conscience. Disagree vehemently under freedom of speech.
2, Show up to formation in civilian attire everyday under the freedom of expression.
3. Miss a movement/deployment because you don't want to go under a freedom of movement
Again, no one is asking him to reject his religion, only to conform to the same standards every other soldier of every other religion must. He wants preferential treatment, a special exception for him.
1. Challenge a lawful order you disagree with to a senior leader and refuse to do it as a matter of free conscience. Disagree vehemently under freedom of speech.
2, Show up to formation in civilian attire everyday under the freedom of expression.
3. Miss a movement/deployment because you don't want to go under a freedom of movement
Again, no one is asking him to reject his religion, only to conform to the same standards every other soldier of every other religion must. He wants preferential treatment, a special exception for him.
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SGT Allison Churchill
1&2) The first amendment doesn't apply to either of these examples. "Freedom of expression" isn't specifically in the Constitution--it's generally considered part of freedom of speech, which again, doesn't apply to either of these examples.
2) Freedom of movement isn't the right to move whenever you want. It's applied in cases of state taxation, benefits, general right to travel throughout the states and world. You have the right to attend school in a different state and still receive financial aid in your home state. You have the right to travel by air.
Nothing that is great can stay the same forever--adaptation is necessary. Our military has changed a lot since its inception, and will continue to do so.
2) Freedom of movement isn't the right to move whenever you want. It's applied in cases of state taxation, benefits, general right to travel throughout the states and world. You have the right to attend school in a different state and still receive financial aid in your home state. You have the right to travel by air.
Nothing that is great can stay the same forever--adaptation is necessary. Our military has changed a lot since its inception, and will continue to do so.
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TSgt Jeffrey Jamieson
You mean "too" far. He is not going "to" anywhere. This is why the AF SNCO's have such a bad rap...geez, simple grammar mistakes.
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Recognizing the privileges of rank and position, what applies to one should apply to all.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
LOL, Lt Col (Join to see). You don't think mission is positional? You don't think that all SF guys, depending on how they are employed shouldn't be subject to the same rules. "Nope, you can't grow a beard on this SF mission, but you can?" I certainly hope you were kidding, Jason. Otherwise, I'm deeply concerned. Furthermore, I have always been an advocate of doing what makes sense. Presumably, that's why the Navy was willing to make me a Senior officer, and, also, why it took them so long to do it...LOL.
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Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims that you find in Southwest Asia. These are the really good guys and allowances should be made for them. Sikhism is one of the largest religions in the world, and is truly a peaceful one if there ever was.
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This is a volunteer service. There are rules and policies in place. You want to join? Follow the rules and policies. You don't want to follow, don't join.
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SPC Joshua Heath
SFC (Join to see) - How does it hurt you as a Christian for this gentleman to follow his faith?
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I think our country and our military is well served by Sikhs, and I think it is a small allowance for Sikhs to be allowed to serve and adhere to the requirements of their faith.
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LCpl Todd Houston
That's the whole point!!!! This country was started on a Judeo-Christian principle, and a promise to TOLERATE other "religions". I don't give two shits about anything else. I'm a self-described Redneck. Tell me SSgt history professor, where did that come from? And don't regurgitate Wikipedia. I know a hell of a lot more of what I talk about than you think there Scoobie.
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SPC Joshua Heath
LCpl Todd Houston - This country was not founded on Judeo-Christian principle, it was founded on rational ideas and concepts of liberty. Some of those concepts are descended from Judeo-Christian theology, and many are descended from pre-Christian philosophy and more philosophies that focused on reason and natural law. This country wasn't founded a philosophy of tolerance, but a philosophy that accepted the identity of American as primary to any subordinate identity, like religion.
What harm can come to our military or our country in general by allowing this gentleman and others to adhere to his faith requirements? His religious needs cause no harm to others, nor to himself. As SSG Webster pointed out above, you seem to be conflating this man's faith with the same faith as Maj Hasan. That is untrue, the Sikh faith is drastically different from Islam, particularly in that is focuses on the need to protect the society one lives within, and that includes a preference for taking up arms to defend that society. This is why I stated our military would be served well by Sikhs. They have a religious, and a cultural drive to serve in the military. Why would we prevent that?
Furthermore, even if this gentleman was a Muslim, that should not allow for him to be discriminated against either. Islam is as complicated and conflicted a faith as all the Abrahamic traditions, and Muslims that wish to serve this country with honor are welcome to stand beside me at any time.
What harm can come to our military or our country in general by allowing this gentleman and others to adhere to his faith requirements? His religious needs cause no harm to others, nor to himself. As SSG Webster pointed out above, you seem to be conflating this man's faith with the same faith as Maj Hasan. That is untrue, the Sikh faith is drastically different from Islam, particularly in that is focuses on the need to protect the society one lives within, and that includes a preference for taking up arms to defend that society. This is why I stated our military would be served well by Sikhs. They have a religious, and a cultural drive to serve in the military. Why would we prevent that?
Furthermore, even if this gentleman was a Muslim, that should not allow for him to be discriminated against either. Islam is as complicated and conflicted a faith as all the Abrahamic traditions, and Muslims that wish to serve this country with honor are welcome to stand beside me at any time.
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SSG Robert Webster
LCpl Todd Houston - First of all, I have no need to regurgitate Wikipedia. Next, I happened to have served during a period where Sikhs were allowed to serve, and met a couple that happened to have served at Fort Bragg in the late 70's. Next, I am not a self-described Redneck as you are; I am a Redneck and I came by that appellation by heritage and rural upbringing. As far as my personal religious views, I am a theist with a leaning toward being an agnostic, which has led me to the study of religion and religious beliefs.
Thank you for the history professor title - though I do not have a degree in history, I have taught history and history is part of my current job. As an amateur historian my interest are normally in the following areas; military, genealogical, human migration, and religion.
You may know more about what you talk about, but you betray yourself in your statements. Last but not least DO NOT call me Scoobie - I am not a pothead.
Thank you for the history professor title - though I do not have a degree in history, I have taught history and history is part of my current job. As an amateur historian my interest are normally in the following areas; military, genealogical, human migration, and religion.
You may know more about what you talk about, but you betray yourself in your statements. Last but not least DO NOT call me Scoobie - I am not a pothead.
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LCpl Todd Houston
I shall refrain from further calling you Scoobie, Snaggletooth Snagglepuss. Besides, I have much more respect for Scoobie..............and potheads. Your arrogance makes me sick.
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SGT Glenn E Moody
if he takes that rag off his head shave & ware the uniform properly then fine but if he is going to dress like this photo then hell no.
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SGT Glenn E Moody
i never liked the ROTC. it was because of a butter bar LT. who never went to OCS. he joined the Guard from the ROTC. and they made him a 2nd LT. i did my time but because i didn't have A High School Diploma or A GED. they held back my E5 rank. then we got this ROTC 2nd LT started fucking with me. pardon my french. but this is the only way to put this. 1st he stole my spare barrel bad from my fox hole so i took it back. when he came up to me and said ware is my Equitment i said rite here. he then said how did i get that it was in his tent. the same way he got it he took it from me i took it back. he didn't like that. 2nd thing he did the chow run and alowed his driver to leave his weapon between the seat's of the Jeep a cook stole it the whole base was shut down until the 45.cal M1911 was found so the whole company had to walk from our field pisitions to the chow hall looking for the missing weapon. so on the walk me and my ass. Gunner found a dobble hooked chain in a puddle in the road our 1st LT had a personal Jeep of his own he told us to fall out of the search and bring the chain back for him. the ROTC 2LT was so pisstoff he started to yell at us told us we ware AWAL and we are getting an art. 15 the 1st LT was the X-O. heard this came over and told him we are on a specail assingment for him. so he maid it his mission to fuck with me that is why i got out as an E-2 but it was HONORABLE DISCHARGE so that is why i hate the ROTC.
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This is simply ludicrous.A person supposedly to become an officer and doesn't respect the policies or regulations?
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Did I join the military ? Or did I join a corporation that changes the rules to suit people's wants ?
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SPC Dr. Ernest Rockwell
You mean like the 1986 change that essentially disbarred Sikhs from wearing their beards?
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