Posted on Jan 17, 2014
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I feel it should be law that all political office members from president on down should have to have served in the military before they can be voted into office. If these people are going to have the power to decide who and when we go to war they should know what it is like to lead in the military. Far too many of our leaders have never served, and neither have their children yet they vote to send ours to war.&nbsp;<div>I recall at the height of the war in 2006 when politicians were considering a draft or mandatory conscription service. However they were silent when asked if their own children would be subject to the requirements of such a requirement.</div><div>A doctor must go to med school before they can legally practice medicine so the president should have to be a veteran before they can be commander in chief.</div>
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SGT Mark Sullivan
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Yes, I totally agree, the President should have a Military Background. Any position that makes the decision to send young men into combat, should be have first hand knowledge of what is expected. One of the rules of leadership is, do not ask your subordinates to do something, you yourself is not willing to do... They will also have a code of honor, and know what is meant by selfless service, integrity, honor. They would know the difference between fraternizing with the enemy and diplomacy. A CEO of a corporation only knows of the bottom line, not of leadership, and should never be a part of politics. The Military knows Mission first and getting the task done.
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Cpl Philip "Heathen" Laster
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In my opinion, I think yes, it should be a requirement. Maybe not required to have deployed, or even differentiate between active or reserve. But I do think that if one is to take on the responsibilities of "Commander in Chief", one should be familiar with what exactly that entails. And I think it would give a better perspective of what the actions taken as "Commander in Chief" have affect on not only our military but also on America as a whole. I also think it will better engrain within them the spirit of true American Patriotism.
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SFC Jerry Humphries
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I sometimes wonder if perhaps citizenship should be earned like in the movie Starship Troopers. So many of our people take everything for granted and choose to be uninformed when they vote. Most of the people born in the USA would even pass the test we give emmigents for Citizenship. Our population can tell you all about the affairs of sports stars and celebs but choose to be ignorant on important issues. These same people cancel out the votes of the voter who pays attention to what really matters, So I think Candidates for our top Offices should have Served in the Military.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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No, It is nice if they have some but I really don't see the need. Also from those that served not all served in "Combat" positions. Tricky Dick Nixon was a Navy Lawyer. Jimmy Carter was a Nuclear Submarine Officer. Now give them hell Harry served on the front line in WWI but if you looked at all of them that would be a rare thing.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
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Carter was a schlub, but I disagree that he didn't serve in a Combat position. Submarines during the Cold War were on the pointy end of the spear, making combat patrols all the time. If the balloon went up, they were on the front lines. That's the thing about the Navy: the only difference between peacetime and wartime is "weapons free" status.
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No.

I know this is an unpopular opinion among us, but here is why I believe no.

I believe the CIC should not actually be the President. The Secretary of Defense should be the CIC of the Armed forces and that position should be held by someone with prior military service. The president should have some oversight obviously, but then he should leave most of the "burden" on the SECDEF.
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The Constitution states in Article II that the President will be CIC.
I am a proponent for not changing the Constitution. It sounds like your main gripe is our President and his perceived lack of military experience.

I think the military leaders (Chief of Staff, Secretary for each service, Secretary of Defense) need to talk more and advise the President. Now whether the President heeds that advice is out of our hands but does not warrant changing our constitution and government.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Secretaries are assistants, akin to an XO. They do not have command authority.
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1LT Shawn McCarthy
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A conglomeration of several polls finds veterans making up 10/11 of the bottom quartile. (91%), disproportionately high share.
Veterans make up 7/11 (64%) of the 3rd quartile, so non-vets have a disproportionately high share here.
Veterans make up only 6/11 (54%) of the 2nd quartile, so non-vets once again have a disproportionally high share.
And in the top quartile, vets have a 9/11 presence (82%).

So veterans have a higher showing when adjusted for percentage of population in the top and bottom quartiles.

Draw your conclusions...
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
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You'll notice that those ranked highest are the Presidents who most expanded federal power. Obviously, those polled identify strongly with centralized power, rather than individual liberty. If we judged the Presidents on their adherence to the limited government promised by the Constitution, the results would be quite different.
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1LT Shawn McCarthy
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Edited >1 y ago
http://www.azcentral.com/opinions/articles/20140217presidents-best-worst-america-prog.html

This list of 10 best includes 9 that were veterans but the top 1 was not.
Their 5 worst were all veterans but one.

90% of top 10.
80% of bottom 10.
So with 73% of total, we had higher representation in both best and worst.
(According to one site).
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
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The problem is that anyone you poll, including me, has his own agenda. There is truth and then there is myth. Lincoln, who constantly polls in the top 3, was the greatest Constitutional criminal of them all. His Gettysburg Address, in its first sentence, redefines American history by saying that 1776 founded a new nation, when in fact, all it founded was an alliance among 13 new independent nations. He effectively blockaded Charleston, forcing South Carolina into war, then used war status to suspend habeas corpus, jail his political opponents (including locking them away on the new Alcatraz prison island), conducting unrestricted warfare against southern civilian populations, drafting soldiers for the first time extraconstitutionally by executive order, printing unbacked paper money, seizing property without warrant or due process, taxing income...the list goes on. He had no authority to free slaves ANYWHERE (unless he owned them), yet is praised for his propaghandistic Emancipation Proclamation, which had no force of law. In fact, he was among our most bigoted Presidents. Yet, empires have to have their heroes, so the Lincoln myth emerged. You'll notice, too, that the poll results you show give Jefferson low scores for "handling the US economy", which is NOT a Federally-enumerated power under the Constitution.
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SPC(P) Thomas Beliveau
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I think it is a positive thing that the overall military commander is a civilian. As long as the president has military advisers, it is not important for him/her to have served in the military.
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1LT Shawn McCarthy
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No...
All but 12 have served in some capacity, so such a rule would only eliminate roughly 27% of our past presidents.
That list includes:
Clinton, Obama, FDR, Hoover, Coolidge, Harding, Wilson, Taft, Cleveland, Van Buren, John Adams and J.Q. Adams.

Is that group you have important presidents and duds.

So, most of our presidents have served, a few that didn't were great non-the-less, many that did were still terrible.

A president should have some sort of basic understanding of foreign policy, but enforcing that is the voters' job.
A job that some among us are not that well suited for.
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Some trivia regarding the above:

FDR had a profile. Taft wouldn't make tape. Cleveland outsourced his service to another fellow. Harding died in office and had an ice field named after him in Alaska as a result. John Quincey Adams was blind as a bat but was not equipped with echo location - not the guy you want blithering about with NODS. Papa Adams was the fellow who proposed the creation of a Continental Army and was the one who nominated Washington to command it, so he earns a pass.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Wasn't John Adams a Quaker, and by definition a conscientous objector?
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SGT Mark Sullivan
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In all 30 have served in the Military, 24 served in combat and 1 was a CMH winner, 2 ever promoted to 5 Star General.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
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LTC Paul Labrador - No, John Adams wasn't a Quaker, he was a Congregationalist, and, later, a Unitarian. The only President who claimed to be a Quaker was Richard Nixon, or perhaps he claimed only his mother to be a Quaker. Most Quakers are pacificists, but not all. Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC, was a Quaker, but also the most decorated US serviceman until Audie Murphy.
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SFC Grudzinski, I understand and sympathize with the sentiment.  However, given the current slate of potential presidential candidates, I'm not certain it would be the most effective law.

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