Posted on Apr 13, 2014
Should Height/Weight be Disregarded if the PT Score is High Enough?
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We all know that the Army's Height/Weight system has it flaws, and something I believe that could fix part of it would be making it invalid if the PT score is high enough. My personal opinion is that if you can achieve a 270 with a 90 in each event you shouldn't have to worry if you have too small of a neck for your waistline. I'm interested to see how others feel about this.
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My actual opinion, and yes am retired sooooo take it as you like lol, if you pass your APFT and do not present an un-Soldierly appearance in uniform, then I believe the ht/wt should be "waived".
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SrA James Cannon
Very much agreed. There are some folks due to genetics and their build may weigh more than what the chart shows for their height, but they are in great shape.
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SGT Brad Baier
I had a buddy that was a fire plug. He was strong as any man in the company but quite short. He had great PT scores but he really did stand out when in formation. It always looked like we were missing a person.
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SGT John Creager
LTC Mark Wilson - We had a West Point Lineman that could not pass the stupid weight/height and he was 6'5" He and I got along great, we being bigger than most also could work harder and longer than the skinny guys.. We did this often. plus when it came to torque on the end connectors he and I were the only ones in the plt. that could get the correct torque applied.
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MSG Jeff Smoczyk
As a Platoon Sergeant for 9 years and Course Mgr at a school house for 6 more I attest the Military has lost many valuable assets due to the "standards". When in Iraq, the best weapon I had which saved my life more than once was my battle buddy who went 260+ and never needed a battering ram to open a locked door. Could probably score a 290 on the apft with that ram on his back also.
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I love having to get taped when I just ran a 12:55 and maxed the PU/SU with time to spare. If you can prove you can handle your weight and don't look like a bag of A$% than yes you should get a pass with a score above 270.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SGM Erik Marquez - It's my understanding that body fat is the deciding factor since 2013 and not weight. So the commander can now go beyond the tape test if he has some 5'8" guy with a 21" neck? That's an actual example back from my enlisted days. We had a platoon member that had the above specifications and went at least 240 and struggled to pass the PT test, but he was one of those guys that his head kind of set right on his shoulders and anyway they taped it came up with a big number, 21 or so the average. So he was 5'8" with a 40" waistline and still made the percentage by the tape test.
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SGM Erik Marquez
CPT Lawrence Cable - Sir since my first day in, 1985, best I can remember its always been "Table Screen Weight" as a check, not a final factor.
Body fat was the deciding factor for as long as I was involved in that part of a Soldiers life, say 1988 or so when I became an NCO
Table screening weight was just one possible trigger to require BF testing. Another is an observed over weight appearance, and the CDR can require BF testing.
Body fat was the deciding factor for as long as I was involved in that part of a Soldiers life, say 1988 or so when I became an NCO
Table screening weight was just one possible trigger to require BF testing. Another is an observed over weight appearance, and the CDR can require BF testing.
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SGT John Creager
Compnay Commander at FtRiley refused to allow me the float test. even with a 284 pt test score, the jerk said fat boy program. I know he could not pass it either but somehow he did. His pt scores were just passing too.
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The Solution: Stop making uniforms in sizes we are not allow to be. If you do not fit in your uniform, punish that. I have seen lots of Soldiers have to be taped and bust tape who do not in anyway appear unprofessional. Big guy + small neck = HT/WT failure no matter how fit.
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MSG (Join to see)
IMHO, there needs to be a more consistent and reliable system for tracking BFC (Body Fat Composition) than the currently utilized Tape test. Whether its Water Immersion or Electric Resistance, there needs to be something that will not penalize a Soldier just because they happen to have a thin neck.
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PO1 Michael Bruner
I knew an Army SSG who looked like a fashion model get put on remedial because they said she was "too fat". She went full Christian Bale and lived on Diet Coke & fruit for awhile.
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LTC (Join to see)
I can tell you my tape test is consistently +3/4% than the electrical resistance test I utilize at my gym. The tape test is quite possibly the most unscientific method for body composition. Rention is huge in the Reserves and we shoot ourselves daily managing this archaic program.
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