Posted on Dec 3, 2014
No indictment for NY Cop choke hold death. Right call? More riots?
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Will we see the National Guard deployed in NY City now?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/justice/new-york-grand-jury-chokehold/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/justice/new-york-grand-jury-chokehold/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Edited 10 y ago
Posted 10 y ago
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Our stateside LEO have more to do with our day to day quality of life and are on the front line fighting a myriad of threats making the United States the great country it is. While not all their actions are right there is a system in place to review these actions and when they make an informed decision I am not going to question it. Give a cop a hug today they deserve it.
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You know what puzzles me (I wonder how many down votes I get with this one!) -
Cops aren't the only ones put in these 'hard' positions. Every guy that I know that went to Afghanistan was drilled enough in EOF to know appropriate from the unappropriated. As military, if there's any group that would have a preponderance of cases of excessive force, it would be Army and Marines, all the way. Yet, this would have been totally discouraged over there. Something like this would have destroyed someone's career. I don't recall any of the MPs I was with strangling an Afghan and lord knows there were plenty of moments where it was: But I was scared/Don't judge me you weren't in my shoes! In the military, this would not have been tolerated or accepted. A career tarnished, a name ruined, maybe even Leavenworth. As vague as the EOF was when I was there, the average trooper knew better, and these were mostly guys in their early 20s in a warzone. How is it these career policemen are always snapping after they are clearly dominant? "I had reason to believe my life was in danger!" Soldiers and Marines get put through the grinder just as bad as any beat cop, but they don't tolerate screw ups. Yet in the police-world, benefit of the doubt is always given and the police get off. Sad. If they can't handle the stress of the job, and feel so on edge that they are going to snap, how hard is it to find a different job or a different role in the police system? Yet, they never seem to be held accountable and the benefit of the doubt is always given.
Who else feels this way?
Cops aren't the only ones put in these 'hard' positions. Every guy that I know that went to Afghanistan was drilled enough in EOF to know appropriate from the unappropriated. As military, if there's any group that would have a preponderance of cases of excessive force, it would be Army and Marines, all the way. Yet, this would have been totally discouraged over there. Something like this would have destroyed someone's career. I don't recall any of the MPs I was with strangling an Afghan and lord knows there were plenty of moments where it was: But I was scared/Don't judge me you weren't in my shoes! In the military, this would not have been tolerated or accepted. A career tarnished, a name ruined, maybe even Leavenworth. As vague as the EOF was when I was there, the average trooper knew better, and these were mostly guys in their early 20s in a warzone. How is it these career policemen are always snapping after they are clearly dominant? "I had reason to believe my life was in danger!" Soldiers and Marines get put through the grinder just as bad as any beat cop, but they don't tolerate screw ups. Yet in the police-world, benefit of the doubt is always given and the police get off. Sad. If they can't handle the stress of the job, and feel so on edge that they are going to snap, how hard is it to find a different job or a different role in the police system? Yet, they never seem to be held accountable and the benefit of the doubt is always given.
Who else feels this way?
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I really don't know ... if I could see all the evidence, I would probably be able have an opinion one way or the other.
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I have to trust that our system made the right call. It is a shame that this man lost his life.
I've only seen a short snipped of the video and clearly the cop has a choke hold on the member, did the cop mean to take an action that would lead to the man's death. No I do not believe he did, but at the end of the day the guy did die and what the cop did, helped lead to his death.
I've only seen a short snipped of the video and clearly the cop has a choke hold on the member, did the cop mean to take an action that would lead to the man's death. No I do not believe he did, but at the end of the day the guy did die and what the cop did, helped lead to his death.
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Bottom line....the grand jury failed to do justice for Eric Garner's family. The raw video clearly shows where Eric said he cant breathe when the choke hold was applied and the police stood idly by and at the end of the day decided against convicting that officer. There will be protests and uprisings but maybe not to the point of calling up the Guard. We need to start holding the police accountable for their actions ALL the time...not some.
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So far so good. I think there has been any real incidents, just minor arrests.
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I have seen this video so many times...it clearly demonstrates the excessive use of force against an unarmed, unthreatening citizen. Just my .02, granted I wasn't there, only seen a 3rd person POV. I would be upset if he was my Dad. Just saying. This is no Michael Brown case...
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The headline reads hes a great cop and the model all cops should emulate. There are a few things wrong with these titles. Great/model cops understand when their subject is subdued and when they have control of a situation. Great cops understand the limits of force they can use to get a situation under control. Great/model cops know when they have control of a situation and then they go to the minimum force necessary to keep order and control of the situation. Model cops stop other cops from going too far and perpetuating situations well past where they should. The unfortunate thing here is that none of this was the case in this particular incident and a life was taken, wasted even. It's almost irrelevant what the race of the subject was, because of what happened. The only relevancy of race is the Jury's decision not to indict the officer. It's like saying, "He/she is a great Soldier, but he/she steals a little or he/she is overweight and can't pass a PT test, otherwise he/she is a great Soldier!" In my opinion that removes the title of great Soldier. The very word Police means to control and keep order in a given situation. Did you control a situation when you used excessive force and participated in someones death by using a maneuver that is not acceptable when the guy wasn't even being combative? I couldn't see anywhere here where this type of force was warranted for the crime being committed. These police acted more like Thugs. Police get respect already because of the position and what it means to be a Policeman, but actions like this discredit more than the person, it discredits the organization. This is just my opinion.
I cannot see any reason at any point that anyone should riot and destroy property or steal property that belongs to people not involved in anyway to what's going on. Protesting yes, riot's NO!
I cannot see any reason at any point that anyone should riot and destroy property or steal property that belongs to people not involved in anyway to what's going on. Protesting yes, riot's NO!
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