Posted on Jul 17, 2014
Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine. Live Thread: Let us know what you know
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CNN reports Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine. Other sources mention it being shot down. What are you hearing? What are your thoughts?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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"The military commander of the rebels, a Russian named Igor Strelkov, had written on his social media page shortly before the report of the airliner being downed that his forces had brought down an Antonov An-26 in the same area. It is a turboprop transport plane of a type used by Ukraine's forces."
Apparently someone needs some warrior task training on their aircraft identification cards. The spotter was a big time no-go at that station.
Apparently someone needs some warrior task training on their aircraft identification cards. The spotter was a big time no-go at that station.
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1SG (Join to see)
LOL one could only wish that such a historic figure joined their local PD MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
Greet Russians out of politeness
Movie "Patton" (1970) by Franklin J. Schaffner
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SFC (Join to see)
LTC Paul Labrador : There have been indications to support the assessment that Russian Military Intelligence Officers from the GRU were involved. If that is the case, then it could in fact be construed as an act of war, legally justifying Article 5 of NATO against the Russian Federation...
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I know I will never fly with this airline!!! One plane that still can not be found?!?!?!?!, and now one that either crashed, or was shot down!
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1SG (Join to see)
Now that's taking it back to basic training right there!!! Have not heard that cadence in years
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MAJ (Join to see)
1SG (Join to see) My thoughts when I heard this story - I will NEVER fly Malaysia Airlines.
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1SG (Join to see)
Yeah it was a questionable airline after the first incident, this just rules it out totally now though. Goes to the 'ol, "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" analogy MAJ (Join to see)
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CPT (Join to see)
On the plus side, I'll bet Malaysian Airlines tickets are priced to sell right now, anyone looking for a vacation to Kiev?
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Okay so I just saw this after booking my flight for RPx...LOL
Thankfully I'm flying to Raleigh on US Air and not Malaysia Airlines!!
Thankfully I'm flying to Raleigh on US Air and not Malaysia Airlines!!
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Sgt Dennis Ford Jr.
This is a SAD day for the families of the people who lost their lives. On another note smells like a political agenda to me...and that's ALL I will say due to the monitoring of the internet. AKA Black Ops/Spook OPs!!! What does the Intel members say that are on this site?
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Terrible for the passengers and for the families of those passengers.
I have a feeling the debris will be removed or access to it denied by the "rebels"
I have a feeling the debris will be removed or access to it denied by the "rebels"
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig
looks like its starting....
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-says-russia-helping-destroy-092634765.html
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-says-russia-helping-destroy-092634765.html
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This is an update I found on the Russian news website Pravda.
"UPDATE: The eyewitnesses, who could see the crash of the airliner, say that it was a fighter jet of the Ukrainian Air Force that downed the plane. As a result of the attack, the aircraft split into two and crashed on the territory of the breakaway Donetsk region, the press service of the People's Republic of Luhansk said."
I am sure there will be many contradictory stories hitting the news until the truth finally surfaces.
http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-07-2014/128072-malaysian_airlines_boeing-0/#.U8gR5rHEGcg
"UPDATE: The eyewitnesses, who could see the crash of the airliner, say that it was a fighter jet of the Ukrainian Air Force that downed the plane. As a result of the attack, the aircraft split into two and crashed on the territory of the breakaway Donetsk region, the press service of the People's Republic of Luhansk said."
I am sure there will be many contradictory stories hitting the news until the truth finally surfaces.
http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-07-2014/128072-malaysian_airlines_boeing-0/#.U8gR5rHEGcg
Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 crashes in Ukraine near Russian border, killing all on board
Boeing 777 of Malaysian Airlines crashed in Ukraine near the Russian border. On board the aircraft, there were 280 passengers. All of them were killed in the crash
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PO1 (Join to see)
Pravda is an extremely unreliable source of information, especially their English version!
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LCpl Steve Wininger
I agree PO1 (Join to see) They are going to play this like it was the Ukraine fault for shooting down the passenger jet. However, it is no less reliable than many American news outlets, especially the main stream media.
I feel it is a good thing to get as many perspectives as possible. Somewhere in all the rhetoric and finger pointing lies the truth.
I feel it is a good thing to get as many perspectives as possible. Somewhere in all the rhetoric and finger pointing lies the truth.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
Here is another report from Reuters news about what happened. I would like to stress that there are going to be conflicting reports coming from both sides since tensions are high in the region. Each side is going to blame the other and paint the picture that works best for themselves, until the truth comes out.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/17/us-ukraine-crisis-airplane-idUSKBN0FM22N20140717?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/17/us-ukraine-crisis-airplane-idUSKBN0FM22N20140717?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
Malaysian airliner downed in Ukraine war zone, 295 dead
A Malaysian airliner was brought down in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, killing all 295 people aboard and sharply raising the stakes in a conflict between Kiev and pro-Moscow rebels that has set Russia and the West at daggers drawn.
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The Russians are claiming the Ukranians shot it down thinking it was Putin's plane.
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/07/17/president/
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/07/17/president/
«Интерфакс» сообщил о попытке сбить самолет Путина
Малайзийский лайнер был сбит украинскими военными, при этом их целью, вероятно, был борт президента России, утверждает источник «Интерфакса» в Росавиации. Два самолета, по его словам, пересекались в одной и той же точке вблизи Варшавы, и их могли перепутать, так как они схожи по размерам.
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LTC Paul Labrador
ROFL......c'mon, they can do better than that... Hell, NORTH KOREA can do better than that....
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This is a huge game changer. First off the rebels went from being freedom fighters to terrorists. Who ever supplied them the hardware will be viewed as supporting terrorism. If Russia supplied them the hardware they would face judgement as the world would question their interests in the area. A world power can not support terrorism int order to support their political ambitions at the cost of innocent lives. I wonder what the world response will be and how this story will be spinned to deflect the blame.
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LTC Paul Labrador
Black-ops? Only if you are a serious conspiracy theorist. Unless you mean RUSSIAN black-ops. I think this was Russians trying to exert their territorial claim and being a bit too trigger happy in doing it.
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CPT (Join to see)
Sgt Dennis Ford Jr. I don't think russia has any anti aircraft black ops units. It seems to be a case of mistaken identity. They thought they were shooting down a Ukrainian cargo plane. It seems that they really didn't realize it was a civilian aircraft until after it was downed.
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Sgt Dennis Ford Jr.
I was not think Russian Black Ops, let's just say that. However that is a good cover story.
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I know I am never getting on a Malaysian Airlines plane/flight. Reports are that it was shot down with a Buk missile system. Also known as an SA-17. The likelihood of survivors is extremely low. Especially considering the air craft was flying at 33K feet.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
Not to mention I heard the on-board meals are just horrible.
A passenger decided to get unruly so rather than turn the plane around they took more drastic efforts. A senior spokesperson for Malaysian Airlines was quoted as saying, "THAT guy will never fly with us again".
A passenger decided to get unruly so rather than turn the plane around they took more drastic efforts. A senior spokesperson for Malaysian Airlines was quoted as saying, "THAT guy will never fly with us again".
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LTC Paul Labrador
The plane was also very likely in a civilain designated commercial flight corridor. Unfortunately, that hasn't stopped the Russians before.....
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LTC Paul Labrador
BTW at 10000AGL, it would be obvious that the airplane was a commercial jet and not a combat aircraft.
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no but an SA-17 will knock it down; even at 33,000 AGL. The SA-17 has an unclassified altitude range of 20Km. The aircraft was flying at 10K.
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CPT Dave Shephard
Reportedly intercepted audio just after the crash. Spoiler alert: Ukrainian rebels shot it down thinking it was a military transport.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/07/we-have-just-shot-down-a-plane-haunting-audio-from-the-crash-scene/374654/
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/07/we-have-just-shot-down-a-plane-haunting-audio-from-the-crash-scene/374654/
'We Have Just Shot Down a Plane': Haunting Audio From the Crash Scene
"They shouldn't be [expletive] flying. There's a war going on."
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