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What do you think of ISIS's latest creation? So many questions on this one....Is it really a 23mm? If so, how much damage can they create with high explosive incendiary or armor piercing rounds? Is it properly bored and is it even accurate? What do you think?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2859301/ISIS-s-latest-killing-machine-10-foot-sniper-rifle-fire-bullets-three-times-size-normal-gun.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2859301/ISIS-s-latest-killing-machine-10-foot-sniper-rifle-fire-bullets-three-times-size-normal-gun.html
Edited 10 y ago
Posted 10 y ago
Responses: 16
ISIS is great a many things. One of their best weapons that they wield so well is the media. Simply the idea of ISIS producing their own weapons adds to legitimize their abilities and provokes fears in their adversaries. Look at their social media threats aimed at soldiers in the US and how the military is reacting to it. They have won battles in Iraq by using fear and threats. A small action from ISIS results in 100 soldiers surrendering.
This weapon is merely a show piece. First and foremost the effectiveness of the weapon is highly suspect and if it was effective how many can they produce to effect the outcome of a battle. When a formidable force they will be stopped. The Kurds have accomplished this for the most part.
I am just curious how they plan to hit anything with a round that big without any mechanical assistance form any aiming systems.
This weapon is merely a show piece. First and foremost the effectiveness of the weapon is highly suspect and if it was effective how many can they produce to effect the outcome of a battle. When a formidable force they will be stopped. The Kurds have accomplished this for the most part.
I am just curious how they plan to hit anything with a round that big without any mechanical assistance form any aiming systems.
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I blew this picture up.. actually looks like that front tripod is just in the background and not attached.. Still too much recoil from a 23mm for any of that hardware to hold even if bolted to the concrete and I am not the expert.. My reason for trying to get as close as I could was to see if I could the "ACME" stamp...LOL.. not even sure if this makes an effective psychological weapon.
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SGT Richard H.
That's how it looks to me as well. Also, did you happen to notice that the receiver/breech area looks WAY too small for a 23mm round?
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SSG Donald Mceuen
at the pivote point the clamp is from a fence this looks to be badly made
but remember the brains in the world can make things that should not work
but do
but remember the brains in the world can make things that should not work
but do
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The media seems to think that a 23mm round is "3 times the size of standard rifle ammo." I guess in the sense that 23mm is 3 times the size of 7.62mm. But in that case, a 9mm handgun round is nearly twice as large as a M4 5.56mm round! In reality, this round is probably 100x larger than a "rifle" round (by weight/volume).
That posturing (firing this as a shoulder fired weapon) also makes me believe that this weapon is not actually fired. Plus the front compensator appears to move with each firing (hence the spring in the front), which would make the front tripod use rather questionable? Propaganda is definitely a big component of warfare.
That posturing (firing this as a shoulder fired weapon) also makes me believe that this weapon is not actually fired. Plus the front compensator appears to move with each firing (hence the spring in the front), which would make the front tripod use rather questionable? Propaganda is definitely a big component of warfare.
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Yeah...definitely pulling the BS flag on this one. I love the spring on the front. Like it's a breech recoil system or something. That's hilarious. Two tripods...yeah. That would mean you have it on a turntable in order to maneuver it...or it sits in one spot and you time every shot. Possible, but highly ineffective. Back to the spring. Even if it did absorb recoil (which it won't), the extending piston beneath it is in the wrong position and can't collapse. It would explode if the spring depressed.
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MAJ (Join to see). The original question was a one off improvised showpiece . . . not a practical battlefield weapon.
Warmest Regards, Sandy
p.s. It may be equivalent to ZU-23-2/ZSU-23-2 2A7/2A14 (23x152mm) Armour-Piercing Incendiary Tracer Projectile
o http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZU-23-2
o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMl_uSegAp4
o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5qk0K2HyA0
o http://www.arcus-bg.com/products/ammunition/1_23mm_zu_23_2/apit_projectile/1main.htm
o http://www.ordtech-industries.com/2products/ZU-23/23x152NG.html
Warmest Regards, Sandy
p.s. It may be equivalent to ZU-23-2/ZSU-23-2 2A7/2A14 (23x152mm) Armour-Piercing Incendiary Tracer Projectile
o http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZU-23-2
o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMl_uSegAp4
o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5qk0K2HyA0
o http://www.arcus-bg.com/products/ammunition/1_23mm_zu_23_2/apit_projectile/1main.htm
o http://www.ordtech-industries.com/2products/ZU-23/23x152NG.html
ZU-23-2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The ZU-23-2 "Sergey", also known as ZU-23, is a Soviet towed 23mm anti-aircraft twin-barreled autocannon. ZU stands for Zenitnaya Ustanovka (Russian: Зенитная Установка) - anti-aircraft mount. The GRAU index is 2A13.[1]
SGT Graham "Tom" Town
Did you check out the "Advanced Sights"? The way that the gunner is holding it he would be knocked into next month by the recoil of a 23mm!
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SGT Graham "Tom" Town. Maybe that is why we see only one photo - breach / barrel shrapnel may KIA him - recoil could have broken his head, neck, ribs, vital organs. Old Russian tech works best and there is plenty ammo to attack limited armor targets.
You've got a point though . . . where are the recoil absorbing cylinders or at least springs. First time he ores this thing tripods are irrelevant - it will go flying in the other direction of it does not simply kill the operator.
My comment was more focused on terminal projectile effects on target . . . not risk to operator.
Warmest Regards, Sandy
You've got a point though . . . where are the recoil absorbing cylinders or at least springs. First time he ores this thing tripods are irrelevant - it will go flying in the other direction of it does not simply kill the operator.
My comment was more focused on terminal projectile effects on target . . . not risk to operator.
Warmest Regards, Sandy
CMDCM Gene Treants
Well, 1LT Sandy Annala it sure looks like you might be onto something here. Take a barrell off, modify the trigger, and add a couple of tripods, vola a very cumbersome, but highly effective "psychological warfare" sniper rifle. like many other, I am not sure how well it works in practice, but like horseshoes and handgrenades, how close do you have to be to terrorize people. If this never fires a round the PsyWar effect it there.
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While having a big gun is cool and all, I'm just wondering how useful that weapon would really be. I don't know about anyone else but when I think of a good rifle, especially sniper rifles, it isn't a question of how big something is but more of how accurate will it be. And in all honesty I don't think that it would be a practical rifle, you wouldn't be able to be as mobile in case you need to move in a hurry. I could be wrong but that's just what I think when you mention a 10 foot rifle. I think it's just another thing for ISIS to try to scare people off with.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
I have to agree 1LT (Join to see) sometimes size does not matter. It is all in how you use it.
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CPT Steven Harder
Not to mention the 762 BullDog G4 Sniper model . . . and I hear the new .300 Bulldog isn't much bigger in size. Seems ISIS to it to the extreme in the opposite direction.
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From a machinist or weaponeer's perspective, an impressive feat. From a Soldier's perspective, reminds me of the scene from "Wanted". As for the Dailymail.com.uk, It is known for "sensationalist" journalism.
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Sir,
I am going to show some of the scouts in my unit espesically the scouts this article see what they think but I foresee the same opinions as what is already being said. Plus I foresee coke dip and whatever else they have in there mouths at the time coming spitting out everywhere.
I am going to show some of the scouts in my unit espesically the scouts this article see what they think but I foresee the same opinions as what is already being said. Plus I foresee coke dip and whatever else they have in there mouths at the time coming spitting out everywhere.
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