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All jokes aside, the Air Force may be too soft in general to the rest of us but clearly they are doing something right.
In general,
they're happier
they have more freedom
they honor good ideas regardless of the rank of the person
they are well-mannered and polite
they have better...well...everything.
In general,
they're happier
they have more freedom
they honor good ideas regardless of the rank of the person
they are well-mannered and polite
they have better...well...everything.
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SSgt (Join to see)
SSgt (Join to see) - Unfortunately I don't feel it's my place any longer. It kills me too.
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Yes the Air Force should tighten their reins and toughen up BMT. Quit treating everything like a business and more like a military branch. Then maybe there would be more es·prit de corps within the AF. Take some pointers from the Corps and yes I suppose the Army too.
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SrA (Join to see)
I agree with you 100% MSgt. The pipeliners I saw while TDY at Sheppard AFB for tech school had absolutely no disipline. I think the Air Force BMT should pull the slack out of the reins a bit.
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SPC (Join to see)
Lmao @ I suppose the Army too, funny thing is I always hear soldiers and marines say " I shoulda joined the air force"...
Wheres this espirit de corps in the Army you speak of...still trying to find it...
Wheres this espirit de corps in the Army you speak of...still trying to find it...
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Col Joseph Lenertz
Agree. The pride you feel in an accomplishment is directly related to it's difficulty. It has gotten too soft and the pendulum needs to swing back.
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I just graduated BMT in January 2nd of 2015, and I can guarantee that the "stress card" or the "time out card" are not real things. Also with the rumors of no yelling or cursing, yelling is definitely still a part of AF BMT. Fellow trainees and I were yelled at daily for the first 2 or 3 weeks, then its slowed down from there as we got more accustomed to BMT life and AF customs etc... AF PT was not as hard as I was expecting when I enlisted, but we were on mandatory PT 7 days a week, weather that was squadron PT or PT on your own (one by threes, pushups when waiting to go into chow hall, punishment PT etc). The AF BMT may be easier than some of the other branches, but it taught me how important a healthy diet, exercise, and respecting any rank above you, even if its AB to AMN. It may just depend on the mentality of the Airmen that go through BMT that causes disrespect, not the program itself.
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TSgt Joe C.
I never even heard of those things. I worked w many a MTIs while at CBRN (Warrior Week/BEAST)...never remembered anyone throwing that out there. I certainly appreciate the honest feedback A1C (Join to see)!
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It was just a couple of years ago that the sex scandal at Lackland came to light, when thirty-one trainees came forward with allegations of sexual assault, rape, and misconduct. The Air Force must now conduct basic training under the specter of that impropriety. If BMT has gotten soft, you need not look any further for cause than the MTIs that abused their position of authority. BMT and the AF at large will be dealing with that fallout for years.
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I don't think it's too soft. You don't want to risk it becoming too much like the military.
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SGT Jerrold Pesz
I was never in the Air Force but I went TDY to Air Force bases a number of times (usually Dover) and what I liked was that it was almost like not being in the military. Laid back, nice room, a great mess hall and a club that was open 24 hours a day. Almost made me want to change over.
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I talked to my guys recently. One of them said Basic was "insultingly easy," but they offered a lot of context. They said they were briefed early on exactly what the MTIs are and are not allowed to do and encouraged to report any deviation from those standards. Along with the microscope the MTIs are under, it creates an unspoken threat of pissing off a trainee and them reporting something to end your career.
From the outside looking in, the chain looks like they're extremely gun-shy of anything remotely resembling impropriety springing up, so they're ruthlessly squashing anything they see. This is probably what's having the biggest effect on people volunteering for MTI duty.
As for Timeout cards, this has been an urban myth for almost 20 years...
When I came in, MTIs were allowed to yell; they were not allowed to swear, they were not allowed to assault us, and they were not allowed to personally demean us. They didn't mean they didn't have an extensive bag of tricks with which to rattle us.
From the outside looking in, the chain looks like they're extremely gun-shy of anything remotely resembling impropriety springing up, so they're ruthlessly squashing anything they see. This is probably what's having the biggest effect on people volunteering for MTI duty.
As for Timeout cards, this has been an urban myth for almost 20 years...
When I came in, MTIs were allowed to yell; they were not allowed to swear, they were not allowed to assault us, and they were not allowed to personally demean us. They didn't mean they didn't have an extensive bag of tricks with which to rattle us.
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TSgt (Join to see)
I hear the same stories, and when I had the same experience you did when I went through. But there's an air of caution through the entire Air Force, what with the SAPR push lately. It's not a bad thing, but it certainly makes a lot of people less willing to risk anything, especially MTIs. I've seen the same caution in the "Real" Air Force, too, though, so I assume it's everywhere.
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When my older brother joined 12 years ago he told me the MTI's aren't supposed to cuss, but they do. When I went to BMT this year, the worst I heard my MTI say was "hell" and "damn". I even got disqualified from being eligible for honor graduate because I said the F-word and the trainee standing next to me complained. I ended up getting a 98% on my EOC for BMT, which apparently was unheard of. My MTI said if I had done better I would have been investigated for cheating. I probably would have been a definite honor graduate if I hadn't dropped the F-bomb.
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All the services are to soft now and the Soldiers are to pampered. We need to get back to the old school ways !!
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MSgt (Join to see)
When I went through boot in the Corps in 79 my brother -in law was going through Army boot. We compared notes and he had it much easier.
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TSgt Terry Hudson
Lmao!! If my wife would let me and I could keep my rank! I'd definitely switch to Marines or Army!
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Yes they are too soft a service. Think about it, they don't even call where they sleep barracks anymore they are DORMS! It is not the fault of the people who are in the Air Force it is the fault of their leaders who allowed it to become so lame.
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Every generation says this, and in some ways they're right but if you want to instill discipline in your troops, it is YOUR responsibilty as an NCO/SNCO. BMT had VERY LITTLE to do with who I became as an Airman.
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