Posted on Jul 16, 2017
Is there a fatal flaw in the Constitution of 1788?
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Constitution Preamble "We the People...Establish Justice, Insure Domestic Tranquility". No Mention why Military who Swore Oath to Defend "Constitution" suffer injury illness known proximate duty suffer wait for well funded VA intellectual administrative debated denial letters. Should the Constitution State Military Injury Illness Proximate Duty is protected instantly beyond the guise of finance?
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No, The Constitution does not need to address VA benefits. The reason it doesn't is there was no VA back in the late 1700's. If you fought in the Army/Navy/Marine Corp, when you were done, you went home and were mostly, on your own to recover from injuries received during war.
We have passed many laws since then addressing Veterans benefits. We have set up an entire medical establishment/system, many supporting agencies and there are a host of private organizations too.
All of us (after the draft era of Vietnam) willingly volunteered for service in the armed forces. We were not conscripted, there was no draft or force making us go there. You could have also walked away after your contract was up. I know there have been a few stop losses over the years but that is not exactly a draft.
Veterans not gravely injured/wounded in service need to be accountable for themselves, their actions, their situation in life etc. Leaning on a government for benefits is not a healthy thing to do. Once many get in the system they complain about they very system they are in. It isn't good enough, flexible enough, fast enough etc.
We have passed many laws since then addressing Veterans benefits. We have set up an entire medical establishment/system, many supporting agencies and there are a host of private organizations too.
All of us (after the draft era of Vietnam) willingly volunteered for service in the armed forces. We were not conscripted, there was no draft or force making us go there. You could have also walked away after your contract was up. I know there have been a few stop losses over the years but that is not exactly a draft.
Veterans not gravely injured/wounded in service need to be accountable for themselves, their actions, their situation in life etc. Leaning on a government for benefits is not a healthy thing to do. Once many get in the system they complain about they very system they are in. It isn't good enough, flexible enough, fast enough etc.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
So I did have any chance to make any timely access of support for some 10 plus years as the records were not in my service jacket. My records were incomplete until FOIA. I was struggling and worse and well I don't know other veterans who went through similar things. But I have heard of some veterans who seemingly had very high percentages for things like hearing damage etc etc, never had a break in benefits, got a career job in the government, multiple pensions...
They said I was a reservist which basically meant get lost
http://veteranscominghome.org/station_media/the-story-of-a-homeless-veteran-who-fell-through-the-cracks/
In 1998, halfway through his enlistment, Aaron decided he needed a change so he requested an inter-service transfer into the Army, but he failed the psychological and physical exams conducted by USMEPCOM even though he had aced them just four years earlier. Aaron was classified as a 3P, which indicated that he was unfit for service and constituted a permanent disqualification from the application process and service in general. Since the results were not communicated to Aaron nor his Navy command, he was allowed to return to the USS Sides.
“Earlier this summer, by capitalizing on the Freedom of Information Act, Aaron was able to obtain a letter from the Inspector General of the U.S. Army Recruiting Command verifying that he had been permanently, medically disqualified for military service in 1998,” says Wong.
“In addition, this letter informed Aaron that the Army should have notified the Navy of his disqualification. Had this been done, Aaron would have received a medical discharge immediately, sparing him another four years of torment and further injury.”
Now at the age of 40, still unable to work due to his disabilities, Aaron is trying to make a case for himself so he can receive medical and housing benefits from the VA. In order to reap such services from the VA, Aaron needs to have been issued a DD214, a document that allows him to qualify for assistance.
They said I was a reservist which basically meant get lost
http://veteranscominghome.org/station_media/the-story-of-a-homeless-veteran-who-fell-through-the-cracks/
In 1998, halfway through his enlistment, Aaron decided he needed a change so he requested an inter-service transfer into the Army, but he failed the psychological and physical exams conducted by USMEPCOM even though he had aced them just four years earlier. Aaron was classified as a 3P, which indicated that he was unfit for service and constituted a permanent disqualification from the application process and service in general. Since the results were not communicated to Aaron nor his Navy command, he was allowed to return to the USS Sides.
“Earlier this summer, by capitalizing on the Freedom of Information Act, Aaron was able to obtain a letter from the Inspector General of the U.S. Army Recruiting Command verifying that he had been permanently, medically disqualified for military service in 1998,” says Wong.
“In addition, this letter informed Aaron that the Army should have notified the Navy of his disqualification. Had this been done, Aaron would have received a medical discharge immediately, sparing him another four years of torment and further injury.”
Now at the age of 40, still unable to work due to his disabilities, Aaron is trying to make a case for himself so he can receive medical and housing benefits from the VA. In order to reap such services from the VA, Aaron needs to have been issued a DD214, a document that allows him to qualify for assistance.
The Story of a Homeless Veteran Who Fell Through the Cracks - Veterans Coming Home
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Where's the beef? Too many words for me to decipher what your issue is. That military people suffer due to service? That the system is not as responsive as it could or should be? To the first, I think most that serve realize the dangers of military service. Things happen that might not have been clearly defined up front, such as Agent Orange, friendly fire, chem/bio exposure etc. To the latter, write your Congressman. The system is not perfect but the only way to change it is to use the tools available.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
I think it has to do with the training. If "We the People" in the Military, were taught in training the ethics of the Preamble of the Constitution of which we swore to "Defend", then mental blocks to adjudicating swift timely humanitarian support in-service and out of service, before things became chronic debilitating, for injury illness, would be removed..
"I think most that serve realize the dangers of military service."
True.
Most serve never even knowing what real life changing illness is and try to ignore the issue need the help. We are a brave bunch. But we need to show each other more "We the People" Compassion.
"I think most that serve realize the dangers of military service."
True.
Most serve never even knowing what real life changing illness is and try to ignore the issue need the help. We are a brave bunch. But we need to show each other more "We the People" Compassion.
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Thanks and I'm trying to capture your meaning. I still don't understand what you are asking though. There's miles of difference between law and policy. Both leave room for interpretation and require judgement in application. We couldn't possibly spell out everything in the US Constitution and still expect it to be a meaningful and useful document. It is very broad and deals with basic rights, duties, authorities etc. Everything below that is spelled out in US Code or lower level laws and policies. Who is not being treated fairly and how? An Example might be helpful.
Example: This class of people is being treated unfairly in this manner for this reason, and here's the solution.
Example: This class of people is being treated unfairly in this manner for this reason, and here's the solution.
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Difference of the ages, in 1788 the govt did not envision a standing military with a global reach, or in the numbers we have currently, let alone prior to 1990 when we were at our fullest outside of WW2 itself. They were most likely thinking State militias to be federalized at need, and indeed for the most part that is the way we operated in large part up until 1940 or so. Up until WW2, (I have been led to believe) that in the Marine corps, if you were a SSG and above, or Capt and above, you pretty much knew EVERYONE in the Corps, because they were so small. And the officer corps across all 3 were highly limited in numbers as well. If I also remember correctly, (to give a perspective) the entire USMC for pre WW2 would almost be outnumbered by a current Light or Airborne Infantry Div, and they were scattered all over the globe then as well.
The answer to your question though, is No, it sounds good, but like so many other good sounding plans to change the Constitution, there are 10 bad ones. It is one reason that many are nervous about the possebilities for the Convention of States that many are pushing. Better for all if we focus on actually following the laws we have, and make them work first, but for that we need to stop letting Politician, be a full time position for life as some have turned it into.
The answer to your question though, is No, it sounds good, but like so many other good sounding plans to change the Constitution, there are 10 bad ones. It is one reason that many are nervous about the possebilities for the Convention of States that many are pushing. Better for all if we focus on actually following the laws we have, and make them work first, but for that we need to stop letting Politician, be a full time position for life as some have turned it into.
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