Posted on Jun 9, 2015
CH (MAJ) William Beaver
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Is seperation of church and state still an important national policy? How is it actually being followed? What are the threats to it? Is church too involved in politics? Or is the government too involved in churches? What is the benefit of seperation of church and state? What is not good about it?

As for me, I think it is a good thing. I don't want my government telling me how or who to worship or pray to. At the same time, I don't want my church telling me how to vote or dictating to non-church members how to live their lives. I believe that if a person is coerced to practice religion or a belief system through government policy, it damages the authenticity of the religion. Where are you on this issue?
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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More important then ever. There are so many religions out there that government has to be "non-denominational"
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SGT Jeremiah Brookins, I thought I had too.
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I'm sorry, but it just irritates me when people continually say something they either:

A-Do not actually mean, or
B-Is ludicrous.
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SGT Rick Ash
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I think like MAJ Petrarca. It is more important than ever in these times. And I believe we are so close to "End Times" I may make it a new voting discussion on RP.
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CW4 Guy Butler
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What's wrong with the word "secular"?
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TSgt Marcial Guajardo
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 A correct reference to the best of my knowledge. It may be relevant to try and understand the historical context of this concept. I believe the intent was that government should not integrate power vested in a "state" church with political responsibility and power as was de facto practice in England where the King partially derived his power via his  allegiance to the Church of England, often used to suppress or repress other religions. The interpretation today is a perversion and I don't think this concept was ever intended to stop people from praying in public schools or referencing God in government ceremony or practice. The founding fathers were devout believers.
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TheY recanted on their deathbeds. They were all godless heathens in their heart. Or soul. I mean brain.

/s 1st Lt Matt A.
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Not that it ultimately matters at all, but that's based on.....?

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1st Lt Matt A. It's based on sarcasm. I was joking. A lot of (probably completely made up) articles claim that most people that did anything of note that weren't christian probably became christian on their deathbed. I was being facetious.
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Oh lol. My sarcasm/satire detector functions poorly enough in real life, when reading it's basically completely out to lunch

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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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<p>On the flip side, many who roll out the "free exercise of religion," especially when it comes to its use in government, really only choose to allow the free exercise of their specific religion and get angry when other religions try to exercise their beliefs in the same or similar manner.</p><p><br></p><p>I disagree with your assessment of Thomas Jefferson's "Separation of Church and State" quote.&nbsp; Here is the quote in context:</p><p><br></p><p>"<font face="Arial" size="4">Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person's life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the "wall of separation between church and state," therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society."</font></p><p><br></p><p><font face="Arial" size="4">It&nbsp;seems to me that Jefferson was clearly&nbsp;addressing the fact that religious institutions, churches,&nbsp;that would use government power to support&nbsp;any religion were contrary to the civil rights of the people.&nbsp; This&nbsp;doesn't seem to be concerning government meddling in religious affairs at all.</font>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>I support the right of all people to practice their faith or lack-thereof how and when they want.&nbsp; I do not, however, support them with government dollars or time - unless those dollars and time are equally available to ALL religions.&nbsp; And to bring this back into a military context - how many "prayer breakfasts" for we all been to?&nbsp; Aside from the Bible, how many other religious books are read from and how many other gods are openly prayed to at those events?&nbsp; For me, aside from the ones I personally influenced as&nbsp; Company Commander, the answer is zero.</p>
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Sir, the first part of your interpretation is not contrary to my own.  The second portion is incorrect.  In order to understand the purpose behind Jefferson's letter, one must first read the letter to which he replied.  In that context, his purpose is clearly revealed as being to assure the association that there would be no government meddling in religious affairs.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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CPT (Join to see) - But, don't you think that Jefferson was smart enough to understand that a "wall of separation" goes both ways? Not just one?
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