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The Young Beat themselves up prodded by Honor Courage Commitment Team Family TRUST. Arm Chair Chicken-hawk Owners Crowds Cheer. In house Medical Professional Ethical Conflicts stymie TBI PTSD diagnosis etc. Owners use forget player. The Crowd forgets. Post Service Support is Self Protective Serving Admin heavy mismanaged w/ loopholes confusing injured VET. A few TV "Pros" glamorize the game?
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Sgt Field Radio Operator
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No. I joined for my country. NFL players play for millions of dollars.
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SN Greg Wright
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Beer's on me, Ted.
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SFC George Smith
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The NFL... National Felons League... Is Nothing Like the Military...
The Players are Over Paid Over rated and If they Had to deal with the daily grind of the Military ... The Real Military and Not the Crap On the Reality TV... they would and could Not Hang...
The NFL Players are little more Than Sports Mercenaries... they Go the Big Bucks...
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
PO3 Aaron Hassay
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Interpretation please.

DOD 6055.5-M 1998
OCCUPATIONAL MEDICAL SERVICE MANUAL
C2. CHAPTER 2
MEDICAL SURVEILLANCE FOR OSHA-REGULATED EXPOSURES
C2.1. INTRODUCTION
C2.1.1. History
C2.1.1.1. With the establishment of OSHA in 1970, the Federal Government
began to mandate the basic elements of medical surveillance for a number of chemical
and physical stressors in the workplace. Beginning in the early 1970s, the list has now
grown to more than 20 individually regulated stressors. Two Executive Orders (E.O.)
defined the relationship of OSHA regulations to the Department of Defense
workforce. E.O. 11807 (1974) placed Federal employees under the Occupational
Health and Safety Act (reference (k)). This Order was later revoked by E.O. 12196
(1980) (reference (l)) that exempted active duty military personnel and uniquely military
equipment, systems, and operations. Many of the initial OSHA regulations (reference
(k)) are for carcinogens that are rarely found in the Department of Defense workplaces
today.
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SGT Philip Roncari
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
PO3 Aaron Hassay
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Please intepret this and let me know what you think?

DOD 6055.5-M 1998
OCCUPATIONAL MEDICAL SERVICE MANUAL
C2. CHAPTER 2
MEDICAL SURVEILLANCE FOR OSHA-REGULATED EXPOSURES
C2.1. INTRODUCTION
C2.1.1. History
C2.1.1.1. With the establishment of OSHA in 1970, the Federal Government
began to mandate the basic elements of medical surveillance for a number of chemical
and physical stressors in the workplace. Beginning in the early 1970s, the list has now
grown to more than 20 individually regulated stressors. Two Executive Orders (E.O.)
defined the relationship of OSHA regulations to the Department of Defense
workforce. E.O. 11807 (1974) placed Federal employees under the Occupational
Health and Safety Act (reference (k)). This Order was later revoked by E.O. 12196
(1980) (reference (l)) that exempted active duty military personnel and uniquely military
equipment, systems, and operations. Many of the initial OSHA regulations (reference
(k)) are for carcinogens that are rarely found in the Department of Defense workplaces
today.
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SGT James Colwell
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How do I put this in a way that is clear?

NO!
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
PO3 Aaron Hassay
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Please let me know how you intrepret this.

DOD 6055.5-M 1998
OCCUPATIONAL MEDICAL SERVICE MANUAL
C2. CHAPTER 2
MEDICAL SURVEILLANCE FOR OSHA-REGULATED EXPOSURES
C2.1. INTRODUCTION
C2.1.1. History
C2.1.1.1. With the establishment of OSHA in 1970, the Federal Government
began to mandate the basic elements of medical surveillance for a number of chemical
and physical stressors in the workplace. Beginning in the early 1970s, the list has now
grown to more than 20 individually regulated stressors. Two Executive Orders (E.O.)
defined the relationship of OSHA regulations to the Department of Defense
workforce. E.O. 11807 (1974) placed Federal employees under the Occupational
Health and Safety Act (reference (k)). This Order was later revoked by E.O. 12196
(1980) (reference (l)) that exempted active duty military personnel and uniquely military
equipment, systems, and operations. Many of the initial OSHA regulations (reference
(k)) are for carcinogens that are rarely found in the Department of Defense workplaces
today.
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SGT James Colwell
SGT James Colwell
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If OSHA regs were in place in the military, we couldn't load a magazine. The military is a dangerous way to earn a living. I think the wording is a way to defend the action and to cover their butts.
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I'll be that guy again.

There's nothing wrong comparing civilian employment to the military. Of course they're not the same. All jobs are different from each other. Military service doesn't hold a complete monopoly on things like honor, selfless service, and integrity.

These people play a game that is romanticized by its fans. Go ahead and let them pretend these struggles are glorious and meaningful. Your correcting them won't break the delusion. It's just a game. The people who don't understand that likely don't know what struggle and sacrifice mean.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay

I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you wondering if OSHA standards should apply, how they should be applied, or for comments regarding the DOD's monitoring of health during the service member's employment?

Toward the latter, I can say that most of that sort of information can only be done through routine medical testing as (should, i hope) be mandated by the unit conducting hazardous operations, and as such would not be included as a part of their service record. Examples of routine medical testing might include yearly hearing exams, physicals, eye exams, etc. These would be documented in their medical records. Military medical records, which most here on RallyPoint can attest to, have been crap in the past and only saw major improvement shortly before operation desert storm, and see continuous improvement every year.

OSHA's early iterations did put a heavy emphasis on dangerous chemicals, as that was a major source of worker injuries and deaths, especially as new chemicals were being created, stored, and used in a growing industrial environment during OSHA's inception. However OSHA, as you probably know, does not limit itself in any way to carcinogens, and any self-respecting safety official wouldn't either.

edit: what a weird place for such a cool question.
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SPC (Join to see) - Yeah Weird Place for a Cool Question I suppose.

But reading educates and the farther you go into the rabbit whole.

One thing I notice now is that Common Sense is actually acknowledged by medical professionals for work place stress physical mental chemical etc...

OSHA is created in response to monitor work place stressors affecting health.

DOD NAVY ARMY Etc etc etc...all with Medical Professionals in pay....follow suit with OSHA standards I learned in bootcamp.

Somone actually exempted Military Service referenced in DOD 6055.5-M from OSHA in Operational Specific Situations Vehicles etc etc etc...

I wonder what that was truly aimed at if it was interpreted?

Do some people interpret it to mean that Operational Service Members do not deserve work place operatinoal medical monitoring?

Most operational Medical Professionals are Corpsman or Medics not MD PHDs, only there for triage major casualty.

But anything less then a missing arm etc is considered fit for duty and no OSHA monitoring work place physicals that are worth much of anything when I was on my ship mid late 1990s.

I suppose now I know where my herniations and stenosis would start to develop due the stressors of shipboard duty.

But these constant chronic stressors are not getting OSHA acknowledgement in what I am discovering.

I attempt to make light of right and wrong and regulations and long term health for service members beyond service.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay You've got your work cut out for you. My view is definitely an optimistic one. The argument can certainly be made that exempting active duty military from OSHA has hurt service members. Better medical record keeping and changes in the military culture surrounding members seeking healthcare and following the instructions of their providers certainly needs to change. But even in my time in the Army, I noticed a stigma that was ignored by many, hopefully indicative of that positive shift. Certainly, the military's embrace of TBIs and related trauma/disorders has advanced.

Given that service in the military is inherently dangerous, and it's almost guaranteed that a service member will leave the military physically damaged as a direct result of their job, one would think OSHA would become more important, if for no other reason than to guarantee that the government is held responsible for injuries sustained during employment. This is definitely worth more consideration once my civilian safety experience is on firmer ground.

In my limited experience with OSHA, it's focus in regulations regarding the continued monitoring and improvement of employees as it requires of employers is somewhat vague, compared to many regulations that tend to be very specific regarding employee protection, like walking-working surfaces, or the control of hazardous energy, etc. The general idea with OSHA seems to be "Here's what the government wants. Make it happen as effectively as you can. These are the reporting procedures."
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
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SPC (Join to see) - I am not sure if what is goin on is a joke. But people make these OSHA type rules regulations safety mechanisms medical ethics etc etc etc only to completely exempt a whole group of citizens once they do one of the most honorable things they can do which is serve in the military by choice starting as young as 18. Of course no one actually informs the group that is exempt in a notice they are exempt. At least I never got that notice I was exempt from OSHA regs the same thing I was educated in bootcamp the importance of. Now I will open the door that possible I misinterpreted what
DOD 6055.5-M 1998
OCCUPATIONAL MEDICAL SERVICE MANUAL
C2. CHAPTER 2
MEDICAL SURVEILLANCE FOR OSHA-REGULATED EXPOSURES
C2.1. INTRODUCTION
C2.1.1. History
....This Order was later revoked by E.O. 12196
(1980) (reference (l)) that exempted active duty military personnel and uniquely military
equipment, systems, and operations. Many of the initial OSHA regulations (reference
(k)) are for carcinogens that are rarely found in the Department of Defense workplaces
today.

What does this mean ?
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LTC Psychological Operations Officer
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Obviously those who think the NFL's benefits are better have failed to factor in the GI Bill and TRICARE for Life!!! ;)
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
PO3 Aaron Hassay
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LTC,

Will you take a look at this and tell me what you interpret it to mean on the deck plate of a guided missle frigate? or any operational part of the Navy?

DOD 6055.5-M 1998
OCCUPATIONAL MEDICAL SERVICE MANUAL
C2. CHAPTER 2
MEDICAL SURVEILLANCE FOR OSHA-REGULATED EXPOSURES
C2.1. INTRODUCTION
C2.1.1. History
C2.1.1.1. With the establishment of OSHA in 1970, the Federal Government
began to mandate the basic elements of medical surveillance for a number of chemical
and physical stressors in the workplace. Beginning in the early 1970s, the list has now
grown to more than 20 individually regulated stressors. Two Executive Orders (E.O.)
defined the relationship of OSHA regulations to the Department of Defense
workforce. E.O. 11807 (1974) placed Federal employees under the Occupational
Health and Safety Act (reference (k)). This Order was later revoked by E.O. 12196
(1980) (reference (l)) that exempted active duty military personnel and uniquely military
equipment, systems, and operations. Many of the initial OSHA regulations (reference
(k)) are for carcinogens that are rarely found in the Department of Defense workplaces
today.
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MSgt Mark Bucher
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When NFL players have to dodge bullets, sleep in tents for months on end, eat MRE's and be separated from their' families for 6-12 months at a time, fly for 12 hours sitting in jump seats, endure days and weeks of boredom interrupted by hours of fear that makes your asshole pucker, then they can start to understand what we go through for a fraction of what they make
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
PO3 Aaron Hassay
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MSgt,

Will you please interpret this and let me know what it means to you?

DOD 6055.5-M 1998
OCCUPATIONAL MEDICAL SERVICE MANUAL
C2. CHAPTER 2
MEDICAL SURVEILLANCE FOR OSHA-REGULATED EXPOSURES
C2.1. INTRODUCTION
C2.1.1. History
C2.1.1.1. With the establishment of OSHA in 1970, the Federal Government
began to mandate the basic elements of medical surveillance for a number of chemical
and physical stressors in the workplace. Beginning in the early 1970s, the list has now
grown to more than 20 individually regulated stressors. Two Executive Orders (E.O.)
defined the relationship of OSHA regulations to the Department of Defense
workforce. E.O. 11807 (1974) placed Federal employees under the Occupational
Health and Safety Act (reference (k)). This Order was later revoked by E.O. 12196
(1980) (reference (l)) that exempted active duty military personnel and uniquely military
equipment, systems, and operations. Many of the initial OSHA regulations (reference
(k)) are for carcinogens that are rarely found in the Department of Defense workplaces
today.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
PO3 Aaron Hassay
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MSgt,

Will you please intepret this and let me know what you think it means?

DOD 6055.5-M 1998
OCCUPATIONAL MEDICAL SERVICE MANUAL
C2. CHAPTER 2
MEDICAL SURVEILLANCE FOR OSHA-REGULATED EXPOSURES
C2.1. INTRODUCTION
C2.1.1. History
C2.1.1.1. With the establishment of OSHA in 1970, the Federal Government
began to mandate the basic elements of medical surveillance for a number of chemical
and physical stressors in the workplace. Beginning in the early 1970s, the list has now
grown to more than 20 individually regulated stressors. Two Executive Orders (E.O.)
defined the relationship of OSHA regulations to the Department of Defense
workforce. E.O. 11807 (1974) placed Federal employees under the Occupational
Health and Safety Act (reference (k)). This Order was later revoked by E.O. 12196
(1980) (reference (l)) that exempted active duty military personnel and uniquely military
equipment, systems, and operations. Many of the initial OSHA regulations (reference
(k)) are for carcinogens that are rarely found in the Department of Defense workplaces
today.
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MSgt Mark Bucher
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PO3 Aaron Hassay - Way I read it is that by Executive Order, Military personnel are exempt from OSHA regulations. Hell, they tore up the floor tiles in my facility at Eielson AFB AK, the tiles were a total asbestos contaminate. We were told to keep out for a few days until they were finished. Yeah right...
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Sure, it's similar..........except for the fact that we are not paid NEARLY as much as they are........or the fact that if they get one little sprained pinky finger they are out for a few months where we are told to rub some dirt on it, take a lap and get back to work. Their time away from home is measured in days instead of months or years. But yea, they're similar
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Col Joseph Lenertz
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LOL, good sarc.
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Col Joseph Lenertz - I felt this question was BEGGING to be responded with some sarcasm.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
PO3 Aaron Hassay
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Will you please let me know what this means to you in interpretation?

DOD 6055.5-M 1998
OCCUPATIONAL MEDICAL SERVICE MANUAL
C2. CHAPTER 2
MEDICAL SURVEILLANCE FOR OSHA-REGULATED EXPOSURES
C2.1. INTRODUCTION
C2.1.1. History
C2.1.1.1. With the establishment of OSHA in 1970, the Federal Government
began to mandate the basic elements of medical surveillance for a number of chemical
and physical stressors in the workplace. Beginning in the early 1970s, the list has now
grown to more than 20 individually regulated stressors. Two Executive Orders (E.O.)
defined the relationship of OSHA regulations to the Department of Defense
workforce. E.O. 11807 (1974) placed Federal employees under the Occupational
Health and Safety Act (reference (k)). This Order was later revoked by E.O. 12196
(1980) (reference (l)) that exempted active duty military personnel and uniquely military
equipment, systems, and operations. Many of the initial OSHA regulations (reference
(k)) are for carcinogens that are rarely found in the Department of Defense workplaces
today.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay - My interpretation is: The health and safety standards for the military have improved.....as Preventive Medicine has now more oversight in regards to IH/OH safety. But what does this have to do with military/NFL comparison?
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MGySgt Rick Tyrrell
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Not even close! We do not receive millions of dollars for 3hrs of work once a week, we do not receive any credit for being separated from our families, the NFL players receive all types of notable compensation from the public where the military member gets nothing. Not even close!!!
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NFL players practice much more than 3 hours a week. Military personnel receive "separation" pay. NFL players receive compensation from citizens voluntarily paying to watch them. Military members receive their pay through involuntary taxes.

I agree that NFL life is nothing like military life, but literally every comparison you just made is incorrect.
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MGySgt Rick Tyrrell
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The 3hfs I spoke of is the actual game. The little money we receive for a 6 month is nothing since money cannot compensate my family separation. These athletes are portrayed as someone special for playing a game and the public pays tribute to these so called stars when the real stars are firemen, policemen, and military personnel get very little glor. It's not just about attention to us but more disgust got the notaritary they get just play a game. PO3 (Join to see) -
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
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MGySgt Rick Tyrrell - Interpretation please.

DOD 6055.5-M 1998
OCCUPATIONAL MEDICAL SERVICE MANUAL
C2. CHAPTER 2
MEDICAL SURVEILLANCE FOR OSHA-REGULATED EXPOSURES
C2.1. INTRODUCTION
C2.1.1. History
C2.1.1.1. With the establishment of OSHA in 1970, the Federal Government
began to mandate the basic elements of medical surveillance for a number of chemical
and physical stressors in the workplace. Beginning in the early 1970s, the list has now
grown to more than 20 individually regulated stressors. Two Executive Orders (E.O.)
defined the relationship of OSHA regulations to the Department of Defense
workforce. E.O. 11807 (1974) placed Federal employees under the Occupational
Health and Safety Act (reference (k)). This Order was later revoked by E.O. 12196
(1980) (reference (l)) that exempted active duty military personnel and uniquely military
equipment, systems, and operations. Many of the initial OSHA regulations (reference
(k)) are for carcinogens that are rarely found in the Department of Defense workplaces
today.
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Sp4 Byron Skinner. The question is comparing the Army to a game played by millionaires is out of line. The injuries occurred in combat are much more serious there is no possible injury in football that compares to being on a few feet away for an incoming 82mm mortar round or with in a meter of an exploding hand gernade. Event when seat occurs on an NFL playing field it is not the bloody gruesome deaths of friends that a soldier or marine has to put in a body bag. Th post service medical care of Veterans both combat and non combat is a sham. The VA healthcare system long ago, perhaps at the end of General Omar Bradley's term as head of the VA deserted the Veteran and became the world leading trainer of new doctors and healthcare professionals. Veterans are disposable gunny pigs for recent Medical School graduates to learn their craft and the sell the crafted services in a civilian healthcare market that richly rewards them. Few ever go back and do pro-bono care for Veterans. Veterans are OK to do an oops on, but when money is involved, wee you can finish out this post as you like.
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