Posted on Feb 22, 2016
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Super Delegates have said they are voting for Hillary regardless of what people want. Is this fair to the people who vote? Is the system rigged? Should we do away with Super Delegates?
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CPO Frank Coluccio
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The head of the DNC, Debbie Wassermann-Schultz said the following in response to the question with responses from Hell-ary's and Bern-out's campaigns:
"In February of 2016, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, chair of the Democratic National Committee, was asked by CNN's Jake Tapper, "What do you tell voters who are new to the process who say this makes them feel like it's all rigged?" Schultz's response was, "Superdelegates exist really to make sure that party leaders and elected officials don't have to be in a position where they are running against grass-roots activists." This clarification was hailed by Clinton supporters as a wise policy to maintain steady, experienced governance, and derided by Sanders supporters as the establishment thwarting the will of the people."
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Translated: "This system is in place to prevent people who demand to have a voice, from actually having a voice"...I love our political system.
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SSG General Services Technician And State Vehicle Inspector
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! DWS is so incompetent and out of touch with reality.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Democrats must love Super delegates, because they keep voting Democrat. Besides, DNC chairman Debbie Wasserman Schultz clearly told the world that the super delegates are there to protect the Democrat establishment from YOU... The grass roots. We reap what we sow....
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Good article 2LT Tom Waters, JD , explains the process pretty well... MCPO Roger Collins , CPT L S
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MCPO Roger Collins
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Appreciate all the tutelage but most of what is being said is a repeat of some or all my posts. I HAVE done my research.
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MCPO Roger Collins
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Maj Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs - Need some context to answer your question. Current stats I heard today were that in the actually vote count, she was ahead by 300 votes. That is NOT a mandate. Without the fix being in by the DNC, she would be really losing to Bernie.
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MCPO Roger Collins
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Maj Werner Saemmler-Hindrichs - Since I am against both, my only point is the hypocrisy in calling it Democratic. Both parties do it, as evidenced by the SDs that are appointed by party elites. It's just more blatant when you review the list of SDs representing the Dems, numbers and individuals.
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SSG William Rhodes
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I don't think anyone should support a woman who fail to follow proper procedures with classified information, lied, and obstruct the investigation by wiping out her hardrive. It is absolutely deplorable for anyone even to consider to support hillary especially when she has blood of four Americans serving and representing our country and boldly lied to their families and to the nation.
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Is it fair that Super Delegates are voting for Hillary regardless of the people's choice for Bernie?
Capt Seid Waddell
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The Democrats are behaving undemocratically? What a shock!
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SSG General Services Technician And State Vehicle Inspector
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No shock there. Party of corruption.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
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2LT Tom Waters, JD - It doesn't even have to be bad for the other party. The rhetoric is one way and the reality another. They've become simply two wings of the Progressive Party. The Democratic corruption is simply more "in your face", with the rank and file Democratic voter caring less how corrupt it is.
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It is not fair, it is an embodiment of cronyism. It's a fact that the RNC has a primary election system more resistant to power-hording and tampering than the DNC.
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MAJ FAO - Europe
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And the RNC is ruing the decision not to go to a super delegate heavy system this year....
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SSG Gerhard S.
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What say you CPT L S ? Does this smack of the Oligarchy you so often rail against? The Democrats having 794 "Superdelegates" who can vote any way they want, regardless how their district, or State goes, out of 4763 total delegates? Doesn't this bypass the "democracy" you so often laud? I'm looking forward to your position on this, (and your predictable insinuation as to how the GOP is to blame for this departure from democracy, in favor of the Democrat party Oligarchy).

Point of information here.. the Republicans use 3 "Superdelegates" per State, and theirs have to vote the way their State goes. Sounds a lot more "democratic" than the Democrat party process, does it not?
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SSG Gerhard S.
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This has nothing to do with the Electoral college. It has to do with the Democrat party selecting it's candidate in a very UN-democratic manner. Using Super delegates to "protect" the party from their own grass roots. They are using the Oligarchy of the Democrat party to bypass the "democracy" you so often cite as the banner of the Democrat party. What say you about this?
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SSG General Services Technician And State Vehicle Inspector
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That's so rich. He's making excuses and obfuscating as usual./
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MCPO Roger Collins
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SSG Gerhard S. - Precisely!
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Sucks when you work hard for something just to have some bureaucrat take it away and give it to someone who didn't earn it huh. I kind of find it to be poetic justice myself...
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Socialism at its finest!
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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It's not about "fairness." It's about using the System as designed.

Just like the Electorial System is not about "fairness" compared to the Popular Vote.

The Super-Delegate system is designed to protect against "grass-roots movements" and serve the interests of the Democratic Party. That said, we must remember that Sen. Sanders is NOT a Democrat. He is an Independent who votes "with" Democrats (now affiliated since Presidential Run).

Should "anyone" be allowed to run under a Political Party if they have never actually been a member of said party? Should they be able to leverage the influence & monetary benefits of the Party?
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Sgt Mark Ramos
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS - I think we are saying the same thing. That the system protects the party. The difference is if you see the party top down, or bottom up. If you believe that the members, as registered Democrats, should have the power to choose; then there can be no hijacking. The members speak with their vote. But, if you believe that the Democrat Party is not the registered voters, but the Party elites, then yes. The system protects the elites.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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MCPO Roger Collins - He's "not" a Democrat. He's "never" been a Democrat. Him running on the Democratic ticket is counter to the Party's interest in the grand scheme of things. The Super-Delegate system protects against that.

It has nothing to do with Sen Sanders being chosen as a foil. It's merely how they choose their candidates. They go with who they believe is "most likely to win" (most viable candidate in general election), and who supports the Party as a whole.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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2LT Tom Waters, JD - "Socialist is the political and economic philosophy I hold, not a party I run under," - 1988

http://gregguma.blogspot.com/2015/05/bernies-paper-trail-burlington-years.html

He has however run under the Independent tag, and it was even on his Congressional webpage until this election cycle.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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2LT Tom Waters, JD - I'm not saying he isn't a Socialist. Just not a member of the Socialist Party, just like he isn't actually a member of the Democratic Party. His "technical" classification is an Independent who caucuses with the Democrats.

It's much like the difference between Libertarian and libertarian.
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Each party makes their own rules for choosing candidates, but having the most important delegates being able to choose where they go regardless of the way the party votes seems counterproductive; seeing as how it's supposed to be about picking who the voters want instead of the party old guard.
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Capt Seid Waddell
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PO2 (Join to see), "... it's supposed to be about picking who the voters want instead of the party old guard"

Where did you get that idea? It's all about letting those in power hang onto their power.

This is also the reason the outsiders are leading in the GOP primaries and shutting the establishment candidates out - the leadership had quit listening to the base and now the base is turning them out.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
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Capt Seid Waddell, I could not have said it better.
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CAPT Kevin B.
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You'd get a different answer to "fair" say 30-40 years ago. It's still the "party" candidate, hopefully as far as the party bosses are concerned (same for GOP trying to tamp down Trump). Fairness has little to do with it but control has everything to do with it. The Democratic Party opened everything up in 68. The party bosses subsequently freaked because they lost control and were "worried" (code for we know better) that the process was a free for all. So the clamps got put back on so now super delegates make up about 20% of the electorate. They come more into play on 60/40 or closer pledged delegate results if you're talking two candidates. So in reality, the system is "mostly fair" except for the party having a direct 20% vote. Although I don't think the super delegate thing will come into play this cycle, but it would be interesting to see the scenario where Bernie gets say 55/45 of the people and then the party says we know better so Hillary's the nominee the party will put forward on the ballot. I would expect that would so offend enough Dems and Independents, they'd make the party suffer by voting GOP. Then the party will go into freak mode again and the cycle will repeat itself.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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I think election will be close enough that the super-delegates DO actually choose the candidate - and I think that's pretty crappy.
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Capt Seid Waddell
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CAPT Kevin B., "I would expect that would so offend enough Dems and Independents, they'd make the party suffer by voting GOP."

That, or sit the election out.
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