Posted on Aug 18, 2021
Is General Milley exhibiting a good standard of leadership? Does this lend to a perception of competence?
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Is white rage, or any form of "systemic racism," a significant problem in the US Military?
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General Milley is an exceptional leader. I experienced racism in the military. 2020 had over 750 cases of discrimination based on race or ethnicity in the military. I'm retired and know racism and discrimination will not go away but I hope it does get better for our brothers and sisters in arms who are affected by it.
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Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis
I accept your assessment and respect of Gen Milley. You may find that others will not be so ready to agree, and I will probably see their points, as well. As as far as racism, is it the type that is being hyped these days, or would people be surprised at to whom this racism is pointed?
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General Milley is definately incompent. I'm sure that at some time in his career he was a good soldier but now he is just a lacky for the liberal left. He should have retired as a junior officer because he does not show leadership qualities. This country looks like a bunch of pussies because of the current Democratic president in office although lots of the so called Republicans aren't much better. What ever happened to the motto "No Man Left Behind". I'm a Viet Nam combat vet and this fiasco is just like the fall of Saigon. It sucked then and sucks now. Where the hell are the leaders, They sure as hell arent in the white house
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SPC David Roberts
I remember the fall of Saigon and this is worse. At least thousands of American citizens weren't left behind back then, and we brought out as many of our allies as we could without worrying about stupid optics.
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I feel like his recent speech about how nobody could have foreseen the collapse of the Afghan government in 11 days was just a big excuse. It's his job as the head of the US military to plan for all contingencies and they certainly didn't plan for this one. Now 11,000 American citizens are at the mercy of the Taliban.
If the Washington Post was able to find out that many high-level Afghan commanders had been bribed to surrender by the Taliban, certainly our intel people should have known. I suspect they did know, but the brass didn't want to hear it.
He's the commander. If the mission fails, he should take responsibility and not make excuses. Not a good standard of leadership.
If the Washington Post was able to find out that many high-level Afghan commanders had been bribed to surrender by the Taliban, certainly our intel people should have known. I suspect they did know, but the brass didn't want to hear it.
He's the commander. If the mission fails, he should take responsibility and not make excuses. Not a good standard of leadership.
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SPC David Roberts
Hard to say how it would have gone under Trump. He did appoint Gen. Milley against SofD Mattis' advice, but he also did pretty well in the faceoff against Iran after killing Qasem Soleimani.
Also, Trump was the president. We're discussing the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff here. I don't see how anyone could have pulled off a worse result than Biden in this affair.
Also, Trump was the president. We're discussing the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff here. I don't see how anyone could have pulled off a worse result than Biden in this affair.
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I think he is a spokesman for the present administration, if there is racism in the Military it is taken care of, the white rage he refers to is a Democrat "buzz word". There is no significant problem with racism or white rage in the Military. If General Milley wants to be a good leader he needs to stand on his own two feet. I think he has more problems to focus on, such as now China is emboldened to invade Taiwan, and Russia to invade Ukraine, he needs to focus on how the US has lost face with most of the Allies and how to repair or at least stop the bleeding
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Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis
CSM, all great points. With that said, I found it unlikely that THIS Congress and THIS President would consider anybody for that job who did not sound good in their echo chamber. We might need to wait a couple of years for anything else to happen.
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What he said was that people attacked the Capitol and he wants to understand why. Like he said he studied Marxism and that doesn't make him a Communist.
Let's look at the quote instead of the click-bait headlines:
‘I want to understand white rage, and I’m white. … What is it that caused thousands of people to assault this building and try to overturn the Constitution of the United States of America? … I want to find that out.’
“I’ve read Mao Tse Tung. I’ve read Karl Marx. I’ve read Lenin. That doesn’t make me a communist, so what is wrong with understanding, having some situational understanding about the country for which we are here to defend?”
If your definition of leadership is reduced to one political point that you do or don't agree with, I would posit that your definition of leadership is limited. That's like saying you don't think a particular racecar is fast because you don't like the color of the paint
Let's look at the quote instead of the click-bait headlines:
‘I want to understand white rage, and I’m white. … What is it that caused thousands of people to assault this building and try to overturn the Constitution of the United States of America? … I want to find that out.’
“I’ve read Mao Tse Tung. I’ve read Karl Marx. I’ve read Lenin. That doesn’t make me a communist, so what is wrong with understanding, having some situational understanding about the country for which we are here to defend?”
If your definition of leadership is reduced to one political point that you do or don't agree with, I would posit that your definition of leadership is limited. That's like saying you don't think a particular racecar is fast because you don't like the color of the paint
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Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis
How did he get the impression that it was "thousands of people?" There was, perhaps, a thousand people at the whole event (if that much then not a lot more than that). The number of people who actually entered the building was much, much less. Why did he not know that number? Why do you not know that number?
On top of this are the actual thousands of people who committed sedition over the Summer of 2020; a lot of lives were lost and many of these lives were minorities. Where is the outrage over that?
So, he wants to understand why. Why did he not listen to the complaints of that crowd? Over the summer, everybody was focused on the messages from the crowd; it was all over the news. There have been serious doubts about the 2020 Election. Why did he not acknowledge this? Just saying "stop complaining" will not work any more then saying "stop complaining" to the rioters of the Summer of 2020. Saying "there has been nothing brought to any Court" will not work, either. If he does not address the concerns then he will not be able to get to the bottom of the problem. If you do not recognize the issues then you will never be able to understand the problem.
It looks to me that your definition of leadership is reduced to one political point that you do or don't agree with. I would posit that your definition of leadership is limited. That's like saying you don't think a particular racecar is fast because you don't like the color of the paint.
On top of this are the actual thousands of people who committed sedition over the Summer of 2020; a lot of lives were lost and many of these lives were minorities. Where is the outrage over that?
So, he wants to understand why. Why did he not listen to the complaints of that crowd? Over the summer, everybody was focused on the messages from the crowd; it was all over the news. There have been serious doubts about the 2020 Election. Why did he not acknowledge this? Just saying "stop complaining" will not work any more then saying "stop complaining" to the rioters of the Summer of 2020. Saying "there has been nothing brought to any Court" will not work, either. If he does not address the concerns then he will not be able to get to the bottom of the problem. If you do not recognize the issues then you will never be able to understand the problem.
It looks to me that your definition of leadership is reduced to one political point that you do or don't agree with. I would posit that your definition of leadership is limited. That's like saying you don't think a particular racecar is fast because you don't like the color of the paint.
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SPC David Roberts
How does studying the long discredited theories of Marxism help him understand "white rage"? And what efforts has he made to understand how that same evil ideology has influenced thousands of Antifa domestic terrorists to burn, riot, and loot their way through American cities the past year with almost no punishment at all.
I'm so sick of the double standard that puts all the focus on this one bad incident at the capital by people on the right while ignoring hundreds of attacks on government buildings and law enforcement officers by people on the left. Apparently Gen. Milley is OK with this. Or maybe he values his career more than doing what is right.
I'm so sick of the double standard that puts all the focus on this one bad incident at the capital by people on the right while ignoring hundreds of attacks on government buildings and law enforcement officers by people on the left. Apparently Gen. Milley is OK with this. Or maybe he values his career more than doing what is right.
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Sir, I feel he has gone to political for an apolitical job. Systemic racism, yes but not the direction people think it is. Navy stopped having photos in their promotion packets and diversity has dropped which tells you they were promoting based on color and not performance.
https://www.stripes.com/branches/navy/2021-08-03/promotions-photos-navy-marine-corps-diversity-2432841.html
https://www.stripes.com/branches/navy/2021-08-03/promotions-photos-navy-marine-corps-diversity-2432841.html
Navy could return to using photos for promotions, personnel chief says
Diversity among leadership dropped after photos were removed last year from Navy promotion packages, Vice Adm. John Nowell said during a panel discussion on diversity and inclusion at the Navy League’s Sea-Air-Space conference.
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Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis
This sounds like the "direction" of the racism is not in the "expected" way. Sorry for being so cryptic; hope you understand what I am saying.
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Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis
At this point, I feel a need to play "Devil's Advocate." Please believe me when I say that I'm not fond of doing this. Nonetheless, out of fairness, I think there's a need.
Gen Milley was hired for this position largely by POTUS and Congress. (He was going nowhere unless they okayed it). Given that, what attitude to you think that THIS Congress and THIS President would accept? Do you think that they would hire somebody who said "I don't think it was as big a deal as the riots over the Summer of 2020."? Do you think they would hire somebody who said "They had doubts about the 2020 Election, and so they wanted their voices heard."? I don't think so. They wanted somebody who would resonate in their echo chamber. And that's who they got.
This doesn't excuse his current attitude. Nonetheless, I suppose it's not too hard to think that this is how he got his current position. Not excusing, just trying to get insight.
Gen Milley was hired for this position largely by POTUS and Congress. (He was going nowhere unless they okayed it). Given that, what attitude to you think that THIS Congress and THIS President would accept? Do you think that they would hire somebody who said "I don't think it was as big a deal as the riots over the Summer of 2020."? Do you think they would hire somebody who said "They had doubts about the 2020 Election, and so they wanted their voices heard."? I don't think so. They wanted somebody who would resonate in their echo chamber. And that's who they got.
This doesn't excuse his current attitude. Nonetheless, I suppose it's not too hard to think that this is how he got his current position. Not excusing, just trying to get insight.
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