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"In an op-ed published by EBONY magazine on Friday, Christian activists asked pastors who might back Trump to consider the implications of endorsing a candidate who is considered by many to be an unrepentant racist.
“By siding with a presidential candidate whose rhetoric pathologizes Black people, what message are you sending to the world about the Black lives in and outside of your congregations? Which Black lives do you claim to be liberating,” the leaders wrote."
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/trump-campaign-forced-to-cancel-press-conference-with-black-pastors-after-they-shred-him-in-the-press/
"In an op-ed published by EBONY magazine on Friday, Christian activists asked pastors who might back Trump to consider the implications of endorsing a candidate who is considered by many to be an unrepentant racist.
“By siding with a presidential candidate whose rhetoric pathologizes Black people, what message are you sending to the world about the Black lives in and outside of your congregations? Which Black lives do you claim to be liberating,” the leaders wrote."
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/trump-campaign-forced-to-cancel-press-conference-with-black-pastors-after-they-shred-him-in-the-press/
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Trump is an unapologetic opportunist blowhard. If you're on his "good" side, great, if not, he'll make fun of you, and when you return the favor he wants to use lawyers to shut you up. I have no respect for the man, other than me laughing at his supporters who really feel he's the "savior" America needs. He did some good (very little) by exposing more seasoned candidate's for the fakes they were, but in his case, he became what he claimed them to be. I'm still waiting for him to give a meaningful policy that is workable and enforceable. Nothing he's said so far meets that requirement from me. ALL of the others have said something policy related that could work (depending on who you follow), and they're all debatable. Building a wall, a GREAT wall, or invoking Operation Wetback again is NOT something that is remotely feasible nor something that any American with ONE brain cell would believe would work. Note he won't bring either of them back up in a debate forum. That would be like candy to Carson who barely speaks loud enough for a dog to hear, and "low energy" Jeb Bush to eat up.
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Anyone who saw my response to this question, please come back. I've changed it. I've decided to come clean and answer honestly. No, Trump is not a racist. Not even close. Sure he sounds like one at times, but we all say things that can be misinterpreted it. Now don't stop there. I know you're tempted, but read on before you vent your spleen...
I know what a racist looks like. I grew up among them in the American South. I was surrounded by them. I was immersed in them. And, until about the age of six when I figured out that my father was bat guano crazy, I might have succumbed and been one myself. Fortunately, my father was so overboard in his discrimination, I decided that I didn't want to be anything like him. I have spent the better part of my life contemplating how he might have reacted in any situation and done the opposite. To be honest, it's been an exhausting life.
Those who have been the target of racial discrimination may count themselves as experts on the subject, but I fear that circumstances have over sensitized them to racial prejudice. They see it everywhere. Hell, I've often been accused of being a racist when, in fact, I not only eschew racism, but also attack bigots at every opportunity.
Thus, if Donald Trump were actually such a bigot, I'd be all up in his face, attacking him at every turn. But that's not the case. Think about it. Trump was never accused of being a racist or a misogynist or any other vile thing until he came a threat to the progressive left agenda to have Hillary or one of the other Leftist candidates elected. Suddenly, he's everything vile. And they're taking hearsay evidence, and radically misinterpreted comments, and comment taken out of context to accuse him of every vile thing.
No, Donald Trump is not a racist. He's an actor, one who has given voice to the anger in America. I'm not to pleased to have him as the alternative to Hillary but if you don't want a racist in the White House, Trump is your candidate. Elect Hillary and you'll find out what a real racist really is...
I know what a racist looks like. I grew up among them in the American South. I was surrounded by them. I was immersed in them. And, until about the age of six when I figured out that my father was bat guano crazy, I might have succumbed and been one myself. Fortunately, my father was so overboard in his discrimination, I decided that I didn't want to be anything like him. I have spent the better part of my life contemplating how he might have reacted in any situation and done the opposite. To be honest, it's been an exhausting life.
Those who have been the target of racial discrimination may count themselves as experts on the subject, but I fear that circumstances have over sensitized them to racial prejudice. They see it everywhere. Hell, I've often been accused of being a racist when, in fact, I not only eschew racism, but also attack bigots at every opportunity.
Thus, if Donald Trump were actually such a bigot, I'd be all up in his face, attacking him at every turn. But that's not the case. Think about it. Trump was never accused of being a racist or a misogynist or any other vile thing until he came a threat to the progressive left agenda to have Hillary or one of the other Leftist candidates elected. Suddenly, he's everything vile. And they're taking hearsay evidence, and radically misinterpreted comments, and comment taken out of context to accuse him of every vile thing.
No, Donald Trump is not a racist. He's an actor, one who has given voice to the anger in America. I'm not to pleased to have him as the alternative to Hillary but if you don't want a racist in the White House, Trump is your candidate. Elect Hillary and you'll find out what a real racist really is...
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SSG Warren Swan
You make it hard to disagree with your points, you really do. But in regards to Trump being a racist or an actor portraying himself as one, I'd ask you this:
1. Trump was in a political party with David Duke. When confronted on this, he swore up and down he didn't know who Duke was (everyone over 40 knows who Duke is). or the political party he belonged to. Then he was asked to disavow them. He could've been honest from the start and took control of it by saying yes I know him, I do not agree with his views, and they are not in accordance with American values. He did not do that at all. Only thing he did when pushed was yell I disavow. What are you disavowing Donald? Who? Duke kept on with the "it's your civic right to vote for Trump, and if you don't you're doing a disservice to your race".
2. A true racist isn't the "in your face" person. There are exceptions to that, but most will hide that fact until they feel it's the "right" time to come clean. That isn't a white thing, it's an everybody thing. Once you begin a statement with "I love blacks, I have a friend who's black" stop the record right there. You're racist as hell then. You're using that cliche line to justify a feeling or an action that will impact someone of the race you're "friends' with. I have FRIENDS. I do not need to mention their race, their sexual orientation, religious orientation or political orientation. They're my friends. That's all that matters.
3. Before running for office, he made the comments about blacks being lazy. There are stereotypes that "fit" every race on earth, but we know that they're not true. In his case, he firmly believes it being he came onto the election scene mentioning illegals and how they ALL are this or that. So he's played the race card himself, not those in his inner circle, HIM.
4. When people are victimized by racism of any kind, what you or I feel is "actual" racism doesn't matter. It's how that person feels. Are they going to be more sensitive to it in the future? Hells yes they are. Will it cloud judgements? In some cases yes. How to break that thought process is what will be needed. Can't sit here in an erie silence and not discuss it.
5. HRC and racism. I'd like to talk about that one being I don't believe she's racist towards anyone, she's an equal opportunity hater to all. She's an opportunist, con artist, manipulator, and just all around bad person who should be sent on a plane with some MRE's to Antarctica IN A BATHING SUIT. I'll be nice and give her some flip flops to walk in. We don't want you back...ever. At the same time, I would like to send everyone from this years "contenders" for office with her. Rubio will have all the time he needs to examine Trumps hands and manly bits. Cruz can be president of the iceberg that took down the Titanic. Carson......maybe with him there, he'll finally realize how self loathing he is of himself and his own race. I could keep going, but I think I made my point; I do not like ANY of them, and the ONE they should've rallied behind was Kasich...but noo that makes too much sense.
1. Trump was in a political party with David Duke. When confronted on this, he swore up and down he didn't know who Duke was (everyone over 40 knows who Duke is). or the political party he belonged to. Then he was asked to disavow them. He could've been honest from the start and took control of it by saying yes I know him, I do not agree with his views, and they are not in accordance with American values. He did not do that at all. Only thing he did when pushed was yell I disavow. What are you disavowing Donald? Who? Duke kept on with the "it's your civic right to vote for Trump, and if you don't you're doing a disservice to your race".
2. A true racist isn't the "in your face" person. There are exceptions to that, but most will hide that fact until they feel it's the "right" time to come clean. That isn't a white thing, it's an everybody thing. Once you begin a statement with "I love blacks, I have a friend who's black" stop the record right there. You're racist as hell then. You're using that cliche line to justify a feeling or an action that will impact someone of the race you're "friends' with. I have FRIENDS. I do not need to mention their race, their sexual orientation, religious orientation or political orientation. They're my friends. That's all that matters.
3. Before running for office, he made the comments about blacks being lazy. There are stereotypes that "fit" every race on earth, but we know that they're not true. In his case, he firmly believes it being he came onto the election scene mentioning illegals and how they ALL are this or that. So he's played the race card himself, not those in his inner circle, HIM.
4. When people are victimized by racism of any kind, what you or I feel is "actual" racism doesn't matter. It's how that person feels. Are they going to be more sensitive to it in the future? Hells yes they are. Will it cloud judgements? In some cases yes. How to break that thought process is what will be needed. Can't sit here in an erie silence and not discuss it.
5. HRC and racism. I'd like to talk about that one being I don't believe she's racist towards anyone, she's an equal opportunity hater to all. She's an opportunist, con artist, manipulator, and just all around bad person who should be sent on a plane with some MRE's to Antarctica IN A BATHING SUIT. I'll be nice and give her some flip flops to walk in. We don't want you back...ever. At the same time, I would like to send everyone from this years "contenders" for office with her. Rubio will have all the time he needs to examine Trumps hands and manly bits. Cruz can be president of the iceberg that took down the Titanic. Carson......maybe with him there, he'll finally realize how self loathing he is of himself and his own race. I could keep going, but I think I made my point; I do not like ANY of them, and the ONE they should've rallied behind was Kasich...but noo that makes too much sense.
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CPT Jack Durish
SSG Warren Swan - I think I've said it all. Trump simply wasn't a racist until he was a threat. Come talk to me even two years ago. Maybe even 18 months. There was no mention of Trump as a racist despite the fact that he was a very public persona. Repeating ourselves simply is going to change anything, is it?
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SSG Warren Swan
CPT Jack Durish - I am trying to digest this. What wasn't said doesn't change what was said. Was there talk? Hell if I know. I wasn't watching him or his shows. I had no dealings with him, so no need to find out if he was or was not. "There was no mention of Trump as a racist despite the fact that he was a very public persona"...were we looking back then? Were we looking? No, but it's been out there and the hardest thing to see is what is right in front of you. Wealth and Privilege are two items that can make a lot of things disappear. Was Donald Sterling a racist before it blew up? Sure was. He too was sued a few times for not following guidelines in regards to equal opportunity leasing. We (those not affected by it) learned of it once the mistress thing came out. To Californians it was old news. Repeating it may be worthless, but Paul Revere kept yelling "The British are coming". Action was made on that yell. Maybe others should do the same with what we have running IN office and for it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-governments-racial-bias-case-against-donald-trumps-company-and-how-he-fought-it/2016/01/23/fb90163e-bfbe-11e5-bcda-62a36b394160_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-governments-racial-bias-case-against-donald-trumps-company-and-how-he-fought-it/2016/01/23/fb90163e-bfbe-11e5-bcda-62a36b394160_story.html
Inside the government’s racial bias case against Donald Trump’s company, and how he fought it
A 1973 federal lawsuit provided an early look at the hardball tactics the GOP presidential front-runner has employed in business and, more recently, in politics.
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CPT Jack Durish
If Trump had been any of the things he is now vilified for we would have heard. We may not have been interested in his comings and goings but many were, many would have loved nothing more than to knock him down a peg or two
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I think anyone considering the notion that we ought to register people (whether the registration is digital or physical) is not capable of safeguarding all the freedoms of Americans.
If any part of me considered him worthy of the office, that part gave up when that story broke.
If any part of me considered him worthy of the office, that part gave up when that story broke.
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MCPO Roger Collins
I am not surprised at how the left leaning LSM characterizes anything that Trump says. Here is a description of his response to a question generated by a Yahoo reporter on a number of interviews. Funny how theycan only come up with the ones that make him look bad or use out of context statements.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/24/donald-trumps-comments-database-american-muslims/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/24/donald-trumps-comments-database-american-muslims/
In Context: Donald Trump's comments on a database of American Muslims
Does Donald Trump want a registry for all Muslims? Or just some Muslims? Or no database at all? The Republican presidential candidate’s comments on the topic have drawn a lot of criticism, with some pundits and commentators comparing it with the registration of Jews in in Nazi Germany. But Trump has said he didn’t propose such an idea -- a reporter did, and Trump just didn’t understand the question. His comments and the media coverage of them...
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PVT Robert Gresham
SSgt John S. - Thank you for the clarification. I think that you are right one to two years for a background check does seem to be extreme. Still I understand that there are security concerns. Unfortunately, these refugees are going to be bearing the stigma, brought on by a small part of their culture.
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MCPO Roger Collins
You hear what you want to hear based on your opinions. I hear his primary concern being Syrian refugees. Many of our illegal alien problems are a result not tracking them. Certainly we should have a database of every non-citizen in the USA, particularly in these dangerous times.
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Hearing what you want to hear cuts both ways, Master Chief.
The problem is that taken one way, Trump's rhetoric could lead to policy which is dangerous to American citizens.
It's not a far leap, after all, from non-citizens to citizens. We're all military; we all know what mission creep is.
The problem is that taken one way, Trump's rhetoric could lead to policy which is dangerous to American citizens.
It's not a far leap, after all, from non-citizens to citizens. We're all military; we all know what mission creep is.
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Someone who was seriously trying to woo an electorate wouldn't say what Trump says.
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Capt Walter Miller Trump is NOT a racist! He thinks he is better than everybody. That makes him a supremacist.
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SGT William Howell
Cpl Kenneth Darby Elitist may be a better term, but that would insinuate that there were others that Trump thinks are his equal in this status above us normal people. I do not believe there is anybody that would fit that bill. The David Duke reference was a nice touch!
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Trump, like him or not, resonates because he (and Carson/Fiorini) do not subscribe to the normal political candidate process. They are not focus grouping what they say in well rehearsed sound bites of teleprompters and then have apologies already written should they offend some special snowflake.
I am not a supporter of his but I think his candid, no holds barred, direct language has caused many to talk about things they would rather not talk about.
People that want to label him a racist or other things are simple the special snowflakes that cannot stand to hear anything not predigested for them by a politician or media establishment personage. He has likely worked with, hired, developed, promoted and provided more opportunity for minorities than most of the loud mouths running him down. Yes Walt, that includes you too.
I am not a supporter of his but I think his candid, no holds barred, direct language has caused many to talk about things they would rather not talk about.
People that want to label him a racist or other things are simple the special snowflakes that cannot stand to hear anything not predigested for them by a politician or media establishment personage. He has likely worked with, hired, developed, promoted and provided more opportunity for minorities than most of the loud mouths running him down. Yes Walt, that includes you too.
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Capt Walter Miller
"Trump campaign forced to cancel press conference with black pastors after they shred him in the press"
Yeah well.
I am not in that group.
Walt
Yeah well.
I am not in that group.
Walt
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Cpl Jeff N.
Walt, not exactly the full story but no surprise from you. Seems Trump has 100 Pastors ready to endorse him and when the establishment heard about it they crawled out of the woodwork. This from Reuters:
By Emily Flitter
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Republican presidential front runner Donald Trump has canceled a public event set for Monday where he had planned to announce endorsements from black pastors, after a group of African-American academics and clergy members urged them to reconsider, citing Trump's "racially inaccurate ... rhetoric."
Trump sent out word to media outlets last week that he would hold an early afternoon news conference Monday to announce the endorsement of his campaign by "100 African American Evangelical pastors and religious leaders...after a private meeting."
He did not reveal the names of the people he expected to meet.
On Sunday he tweeted: "Will be meeting on Monday at Trump Tower with a large group of African American Pastors. Many I know-wonderful people! Not a press event."
By Emily Flitter
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Republican presidential front runner Donald Trump has canceled a public event set for Monday where he had planned to announce endorsements from black pastors, after a group of African-American academics and clergy members urged them to reconsider, citing Trump's "racially inaccurate ... rhetoric."
Trump sent out word to media outlets last week that he would hold an early afternoon news conference Monday to announce the endorsement of his campaign by "100 African American Evangelical pastors and religious leaders...after a private meeting."
He did not reveal the names of the people he expected to meet.
On Sunday he tweeted: "Will be meeting on Monday at Trump Tower with a large group of African American Pastors. Many I know-wonderful people! Not a press event."
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Is he really? Or does he just want the attention?
I would wager the latter.
I would wager the latter.
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Capt Walter Miller
Like I said, Trump wouldn't make the comments he does if he were really running for office.
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Capt Walter Miller
It has been said that there is no such thing as bad publicity. Trump plays the media like a fiddle.
Here in Minnesota, many of us underestimated a blowhard outsider running for Governor. He too loved tweaking the "media jackals" as he called them. It got us four years of Jesse Ventura.
It has been said that there is no such thing as bad publicity. Trump plays the media like a fiddle.
Here in Minnesota, many of us underestimated a blowhard outsider running for Governor. He too loved tweaking the "media jackals" as he called them. It got us four years of Jesse Ventura.
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No, The press is out with pitch forks to skewer Trump. I watched an "Apprentice " show a long time ago. The eventually winner was an incredibly gifted and talented black man with an incredible education. Trump was falling over himself in praising this guy.
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Capt Walter Miller
Now he is catering to a certain constituency and he comes across as well, an unrepentant racist.
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Unfortunately, we are forced to live in a failed two-party system. In November we will be faced with the difficult choice between the bloviating donald trump or scandalous hillary clinton.
Who will you choose? And if your choice helps get hillary elected, how could you live with yourself?
Who will you choose? And if your choice helps get hillary elected, how could you live with yourself?
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Capt Walter Miller
I was thinking that Trump just said a lot of the crap on the campaign trail to shed off Cruz, Rubio, Bush and the others like so many barnacles. That is, he was playing to the Joe Sixpack/AR-15 crowd.
But he keeps saying crazy crap all the time. Is he going to ride to the Capitol to be sworn in in the same limo with Obama? After suggesting he knew about the Orlando shooter?
I still think he is better than Clinton. Hitler didn't really telegraph how horrible he was before he was offered the Chancellorship. Anybody should be able to see that Clinton is a psychopath.
Between those two, I may just pack up the 'Saturn Weekender' and head out of the solar system.
Walt
But he keeps saying crazy crap all the time. Is he going to ride to the Capitol to be sworn in in the same limo with Obama? After suggesting he knew about the Orlando shooter?
I still think he is better than Clinton. Hitler didn't really telegraph how horrible he was before he was offered the Chancellorship. Anybody should be able to see that Clinton is a psychopath.
Between those two, I may just pack up the 'Saturn Weekender' and head out of the solar system.
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Capt Walter Miller
It kind of occurred to me yesterday -- What does it say about Bill Clinton that he has hung with Hillary all these years? He doesn't come across as a psychopath.
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The pervert latched on to her for family money. She in turn latched onto his political aspirations. Their marriage was never about compatibility, it was about political/fiduciary expedience. The women bill had "relationships" with are telling a lot of stuff that should be damning, but the pro-clinton main-stream-media is ignoring it. By ignoring it, they give sycophants license to spread falsehoods and maintain support for someone who should not be in the oval office.
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