Posted on Sep 22, 2015
Is Capitalism to blame for the world's poverty?
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http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/the-left-has-its-pope/#8uvpvrzZXEPsq0VX.99
Any serious look at the history of human beings over the millennia shows that the species began in poverty. It is not poverty, but prosperity, that needs explaining. Poverty is automatic, but prosperity requires many things – none of which is equally distributed around the world or even within a given society.
Any serious look at the history of human beings over the millennia shows that the species began in poverty. It is not poverty, but prosperity, that needs explaining. Poverty is automatic, but prosperity requires many things – none of which is equally distributed around the world or even within a given society.
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Our senior senator from the great state of Massachusetts seems to think Capitalism is the cause of just about all of our problems in this country. Buy yet she gladly accepts Big Bucks from these same Capitalists that she is always badmouthing...She doesn't give this money to the poor but rather it goes into her campaign funds. Probably just in case she is asked to be a VP for one of the Dems running for president..
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
Keep the people ignorant, and they'll back you politically every time, as long as you profess the politics of envy.
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Absolutely NO!
And the Pope is being a HYPOCRITE. He's from Argentina, a country with a long history of Fascism called Peronismo there. He's also a Socialist.
Capitalism is where the Money is. And he and his "church" come to Capitalism ALL THE TIME when they're looking for Money. They want, they need, they drool for Capitalism's Money, they covet it, they LOVE IT! Not only Capitalism is where the Money is, is also where the God given rights of Mankind to OWN something and to leave it as an inheritance to his/her children are respected.
The RCC is itself a Politico-religious Organization with Financial "Interests" in the world. They even have a Bank. Which BTW has been charged more than once in Italy with delinquent activities. That Bank is and operates as a Capitalist Financial institution.
Poor people have more Benefits, Opportunities and Care in Capitalism than in Communism, Socialism, Fascism and Argentina's Fascism. So again the pope is a HYPOCRITE!
And the Pope is being a HYPOCRITE. He's from Argentina, a country with a long history of Fascism called Peronismo there. He's also a Socialist.
Capitalism is where the Money is. And he and his "church" come to Capitalism ALL THE TIME when they're looking for Money. They want, they need, they drool for Capitalism's Money, they covet it, they LOVE IT! Not only Capitalism is where the Money is, is also where the God given rights of Mankind to OWN something and to leave it as an inheritance to his/her children are respected.
The RCC is itself a Politico-religious Organization with Financial "Interests" in the world. They even have a Bank. Which BTW has been charged more than once in Italy with delinquent activities. That Bank is and operates as a Capitalist Financial institution.
Poor people have more Benefits, Opportunities and Care in Capitalism than in Communism, Socialism, Fascism and Argentina's Fascism. So again the pope is a HYPOCRITE!
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SPC Luis Mendez
Sir Winston Churchill was a Genius! Hitler on the other hand was a Fanatic, a Lunatic while Stalin was a Moron.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
SPC Luis Mendez - Stalin was worse than a moron: he was a mass-murdering psychopathic warlord.
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Capitalism in Agentina is different from capitalism in the United States.
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SPC Luis Mendez
The Cheapest form of Government is Military Dictatorship. The Proof-Evidence to me at least, is that historically only Poor Countries can afford them.
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
Cheapest meaning quality versus cost, right? Because military dictatorships are horribly expensive in terms of resources, finances, and lives. Look at North Korea, Cambodia under Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge (Red Army), and Fidel Castro's Cuba, Russia, and China. Millions upon millions of lives lost under these dictatorships...
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SPC Luis Mendez
Cheap in everything, Cost, quality of life etc. The cost you allude to is inflicted in and to the populace under the Dictatorship. It cost them enormous because that cost is exacted from the people. Which translate into cheap and Low quality of living. In the Exchange of Values, currencies and other complicated things and comparisons they're the Cheapest. That's why only poor countries have been able historically to "afford" them.
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I would think that Capitalism plays a part in the greed.
Everyone wants to earn money and the more money you earn the more you want.
And as we have seen many wealthy people (politicians at the top of the list here) don't give a rats ass about the worlds poor and downtrodden. No I'm not trying to cry a river but those with the means can do something to get programs in place to help those people learn something valuable to get a better life, yes those people also have to want that better life and have to break the cycle of poverty.
Capitalism is good but its also going to bear some of the burden for poverty because I would guess that less than 1% of those powerful and rich people even care about more than their own bottom line.
Everyone wants to earn money and the more money you earn the more you want.
And as we have seen many wealthy people (politicians at the top of the list here) don't give a rats ass about the worlds poor and downtrodden. No I'm not trying to cry a river but those with the means can do something to get programs in place to help those people learn something valuable to get a better life, yes those people also have to want that better life and have to break the cycle of poverty.
Capitalism is good but its also going to bear some of the burden for poverty because I would guess that less than 1% of those powerful and rich people even care about more than their own bottom line.
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
PO! Boucher, I beg to differ on your assertion that "we have seen many wealthy people...don't give a rats ass about the world's poor and downtrodden" by inviting you to read this report:
"Forty of the Philanthropic 50 are also on the Forbes Billionaires list, led by those at the very top: Bill and Melinda Gates and Warren Buffett, the founders of the Giving Pledge, who took the top two spots. Each put almost $2 billion toward philanthropic work in 2012–the year’s only ten-digit givers–with Gates edging Buffett by a mere $35 million. While it doesn’t count in our rankings, our list also attempts to estimate lifetime giving, with the Gateses and Buffett both giving away at least $25 billion apiece through the end of last year.
That latter number for Buffett will grow rapidly. He has committed that his entire Berkshire Hathaway BRK.A +% holding, north of $58 billion, will be donated before or at his death, with a further mandate that it will be put to use within ten years of the latter. Add in his selfless giving model–he outsources to the Gates Foundation, his name on nary a building or endowment–and Omaha’s Oracle proved an easy choice for the inaugural Forbes 400 Lifetime Achievement Award for Philanthropy, presented to him by Bono at a dinner at the Forbes 400 Summit on Philanthropy in June." I'm not championing them, but they will give away more than I'll ever hope to earn in a thousand lifetimes.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2013/11/18/the-50-philanthropists-who-have-given-away-the-most-money/
"Forty of the Philanthropic 50 are also on the Forbes Billionaires list, led by those at the very top: Bill and Melinda Gates and Warren Buffett, the founders of the Giving Pledge, who took the top two spots. Each put almost $2 billion toward philanthropic work in 2012–the year’s only ten-digit givers–with Gates edging Buffett by a mere $35 million. While it doesn’t count in our rankings, our list also attempts to estimate lifetime giving, with the Gateses and Buffett both giving away at least $25 billion apiece through the end of last year.
That latter number for Buffett will grow rapidly. He has committed that his entire Berkshire Hathaway BRK.A +% holding, north of $58 billion, will be donated before or at his death, with a further mandate that it will be put to use within ten years of the latter. Add in his selfless giving model–he outsources to the Gates Foundation, his name on nary a building or endowment–and Omaha’s Oracle proved an easy choice for the inaugural Forbes 400 Lifetime Achievement Award for Philanthropy, presented to him by Bono at a dinner at the Forbes 400 Summit on Philanthropy in June." I'm not championing them, but they will give away more than I'll ever hope to earn in a thousand lifetimes.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2013/11/18/the-50-philanthropists-who-have-given-away-the-most-money/
The 50 Philanthropists Who Have Given Away The Most Money
It's easy to make a commitment and issue a press release. These people actually put the most money to work for good.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
Capitalism depends on both labor and demand. If people don't produce, they have no means to consume. It is, therefore, in capitalists' own rational self-interest to help reduce poverty by employing people to make things. You can't get rich or get richer when no one can buy your products. This win-win is what pulls people out of their natural state: poverty.
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Lets see, we have the highest incarceration, child poverty, and uninsured rate of any industrialize world. An education system that will burden those who attended with thousands of dollars in loans. I just don't understand how people are accused of being lazy when people are working 2 to 3 jobs just to make ends meet? Greed will be the downfall of the U.S., just as it has with any other civilization from the Romans to the French revolution.
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
Thanks for your perspective, Cpl Yang. Incarceration rates are directly related to those who are convicted of committing crimes, not racial profiling because minority-on-minority crimes account for the highest convictions/incarcerations:
http://law.jrank.org/pages/12134/Race-Ethnicity-Violence-in-minority-communities.html
Poverty is a relative and government defined term because an impoverished child in the US has greater access to relief than an impoverished child in Africa. ObamaCare resolved being uninsured. Oregon offers free community college to its residents and scholarships abound as well as government subsidies (GI Bill being one of the most popular). My 4 step-kids chose not to 1) enlist in the military and use our educational benefits or 2) excel scholastically so as to quality for scholarships, so they've elected to limit themselves to accepting menial jobs at low pay. Their choice, not education's fault...
http://law.jrank.org/pages/12134/Race-Ethnicity-Violence-in-minority-communities.html
Poverty is a relative and government defined term because an impoverished child in the US has greater access to relief than an impoverished child in Africa. ObamaCare resolved being uninsured. Oregon offers free community college to its residents and scholarships abound as well as government subsidies (GI Bill being one of the most popular). My 4 step-kids chose not to 1) enlist in the military and use our educational benefits or 2) excel scholastically so as to quality for scholarships, so they've elected to limit themselves to accepting menial jobs at low pay. Their choice, not education's fault...
Race and Ethnicity - Violence In Minority Communities
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Cpl Tou Lee Yang
Andy,
You have a valid point, however, have you heard of affluenza? This is what I was referring to. Rich people don't go to jail, only poor people do regardless of the crime they commit. Just google Robert Richards and Ethan Couch, they're prime example of rich above the law.
You have a valid point, however, have you heard of affluenza? This is what I was referring to. Rich people don't go to jail, only poor people do regardless of the crime they commit. Just google Robert Richards and Ethan Couch, they're prime example of rich above the law.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
Greed is most evident in government and its cronyist banking system. Maintain honest money and the social problems you mention go away. Rome fell because of foreign wars financed by ripping off the people via putting less precious metal in their coins.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
"When Jesus heard his answer, he said, "There is still one thing you haven't done. Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
"I'll say it again--it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!"
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
This Jesus fellow sounds like the Most Socialist Communist ever. I'm way too far Right Wing for him.
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Cpl (Join to see)
Jesus wanted rich people to voluntarily give up their worldly possessions, he did not advocate the government take it through force or taxation to redistribute it; i.e. CHARITY!
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Interesting that these two posts should be up at the same time
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/drug-goes-from-13-50-a-tablet-to-750-overnight
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/drug-goes-from-13-50-a-tablet-to-750-overnight
Drug Goes From $13.50 a Tablet to $750, Overnight | RallyPoint
I am neither for, nor am I against capitalism. I am for a moderation of how things should work ethically. This is a perfect example of using loopholes to exploit capitalism. I believe at this point the CEO has change the price back over threats and an outrage. But what do you guys think? [~188441:CPT L S] [~368184:SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"] [~29302:SGT Ben Keen] [~138758:COL Mikel Burroughs] [~337757:COL Ted Mc] [~581545:SGT Efaw (Mick)...
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PO3 (Join to see)
Capitalism only function right in a moral society, without a moral society, things like that happen, but does that mean it is capitalism fault? not, is the moral of the society fault. :)
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
This example is not one if capitalism. This is an example of criminal price gouging and it's as illegal as half the population of Southern California is.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
PO1 Aaron Baltosser - What people don't understand is that price gouging, as you call it, can only last temporarily. If competition is not disallowed, as government can often do, higher prices make competition profitable, which provides incentive for more supply, therefore driving prices down. Why do so few people see that government regulations drive up the price of everything? Maybe because this fact gets very little press and that it goes largely unseen.
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No CPO Andy Carrillo, MS neither capitalism nor socialism is responsible for the poverty in the world.
In what is known as the 3rd world corruption at many levels, internecine and inter-tribal warfare, and ignorance of good hygiene, farming and harvesting techniques coupled with unsafe drinking water in many areas leave many people in poverty.
In the first and second worlds [no sure who actuality coined the terms 1st, 2nd and 3rd worlds] personal greed at all levels lead to poverty and indolence where people are rewarded for not working helps to keep people in poverty.
In a sense we are all toddlers - we want it now and we want it our way and we don't really want to share the things we want only those we don't want are we willing to part with - like the black jelly beans for those those don't like them :-)
Thanks for tagging me CPT L S
As a believer in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and somebody who used to love money, I am thankful that by God's grace He has given me a better perspective on money.
Like the apostle Paul I have learned to be joyful in abundance and in poverty and have actually found myself less temped when I am in relative POVERTY THAN when I am abounding in riches.
Jesus actually said the love of money is the root of all evil. He also said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's.
In what is known as the 3rd world corruption at many levels, internecine and inter-tribal warfare, and ignorance of good hygiene, farming and harvesting techniques coupled with unsafe drinking water in many areas leave many people in poverty.
In the first and second worlds [no sure who actuality coined the terms 1st, 2nd and 3rd worlds] personal greed at all levels lead to poverty and indolence where people are rewarded for not working helps to keep people in poverty.
In a sense we are all toddlers - we want it now and we want it our way and we don't really want to share the things we want only those we don't want are we willing to part with - like the black jelly beans for those those don't like them :-)
Thanks for tagging me CPT L S
As a believer in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and somebody who used to love money, I am thankful that by God's grace He has given me a better perspective on money.
Like the apostle Paul I have learned to be joyful in abundance and in poverty and have actually found myself less temped when I am in relative POVERTY THAN when I am abounding in riches.
Jesus actually said the love of money is the root of all evil. He also said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's.
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CPT Pedro Meza
LTC Stephen F. - Yes Jesus the man taught many lessons that are applicable today, because I see the laws as made by Caesar our government which need to be obeyed. And Jesus the Man lessons applies to non believers.
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CPT Pedro Meza
CPT Pedro Meza - And yet we have so many that make comments about socialism but fail to see the origins.
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
"In socialism, greed shifts from productivity into consumption. Without property rights or opportunities for profit, men quickly descend into mutually destructive envy. Our base instincts betray us. Output plummets. When we see someone slacking and still taking – we produce less. When we see others hoarding – we snatch more too.
If nothing can be acquired, advantage is only feasible by consuming beyond one’s share of public goods. As Adam Smith said of slavery, “A person who can acquire no property can have no other interest but to eat as much and to labour as little as possible.”
Without freedom to elevate one’s family, production falls forcing government to become oppressive. Socialism renders workers slaves to the state. Finding scriptural support for secular, state administered socialism that ineluctably involves coercion is puzzling. Biblical teaching does not sanction involuntary socialism by secular governments.
Jesus was, as C.S. Lewis posited, lunatic, liar or Lord. Those thinking the former should stop citing him for pet, secular purposes. If acknowledging his divinity, don’t diminish it be remaking his mission into yours.
I’m a capitalist and you might be socialists. Christians can be both, but Christ was neither. He was the Author and Finisher of faith."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2012/01/31/was-jesus-a-socialist-capitalist-or-something-else/3/
If nothing can be acquired, advantage is only feasible by consuming beyond one’s share of public goods. As Adam Smith said of slavery, “A person who can acquire no property can have no other interest but to eat as much and to labour as little as possible.”
Without freedom to elevate one’s family, production falls forcing government to become oppressive. Socialism renders workers slaves to the state. Finding scriptural support for secular, state administered socialism that ineluctably involves coercion is puzzling. Biblical teaching does not sanction involuntary socialism by secular governments.
Jesus was, as C.S. Lewis posited, lunatic, liar or Lord. Those thinking the former should stop citing him for pet, secular purposes. If acknowledging his divinity, don’t diminish it be remaking his mission into yours.
I’m a capitalist and you might be socialists. Christians can be both, but Christ was neither. He was the Author and Finisher of faith."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2012/01/31/was-jesus-a-socialist-capitalist-or-something-else/3/
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
CPT Pedro Meza - Too many believe that Jesus authored secular socialism when, in actuality, He did nothing of the kind. Here is a well-written article that describes why: http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2012/01/31/was-jesus-a-socialist-capitalist-or-something-else/3/
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What is the saying. Drought in Africa. Instead of moving the water, move them TO the water. Even if we had Utopia, there will always be some enclaves of poor. Somethings are an unfortunate inevitability, but that doesn't mean we can't help.
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Political economy came into being as a natural result of the expansion of trade, and with its appearance elementary, unscientific huckstering was replaced by a developed system of licensed fraud, an entire science of enrichment.
Frederik Engels, Outlines of Political Economy (1844)
Frederik Engels, Outlines of Political Economy (1844)
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