Posted on Jan 7, 2015
If PRT is mandated by the Army, why are units allowed to do what they want? Does this work against instilling discipline?
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I would have to agree that this kind of change is more than doctrinal; it's a culture change. It seems to me that there is a clash between the old school NCO's that learned to max a PT test by doing a bunch of push ups, sit ups, and running miles after miles daily and the younger soldiers that have grown up with CrossFit and myriad of other mixed interval training regimens.
The ones that are going to have the most effect in getting PRT to latch on are the team leaders and squad leaders. To that end, I've always felt that being an E5 SGT should start with a certification as a fitness trainer. Not some DA 87 from the Army, but a legitimate certificate of completion from a local college. This is essentially the work the Army is telling us to do; plan and develop a physical fitness regimen that will improve your team/squad's combat readiness. If we trained like football players, it would give us enough balance between strength, speed, agility and endurance to succeed as soldiers.
The ones that are going to have the most effect in getting PRT to latch on are the team leaders and squad leaders. To that end, I've always felt that being an E5 SGT should start with a certification as a fitness trainer. Not some DA 87 from the Army, but a legitimate certificate of completion from a local college. This is essentially the work the Army is telling us to do; plan and develop a physical fitness regimen that will improve your team/squad's combat readiness. If we trained like football players, it would give us enough balance between strength, speed, agility and endurance to succeed as soldiers.
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As a WLC instructor I always ask who does PRT at their respective units. When other Soldiers see they are all doing different things, the conversation usually turns to "Why are we doing PRT, or Crossfit, or MAW?" Why cant we just do our own thing? I have tried to explain the necessity for a baseline and that PRT, while it is mandatory, provides that baseline for different levels of fitness. I agree that some of the exercises are rather dumb or not physically challenging. However many of them are meant to work stabilizer muscles or flexibility.
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Units are allowed to do what they want because PRT only "maintains" physical fitness. If you need to pass a pt test and get stronger or faster, you need to go with a different program because prt will not develop you.
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SGT (Join to see)
I agree, SSG Justin McCoy and SSG Genaro Negrete. My highest scores ever were in my 9-month-long AIT where the only PT I did was unit PRT. Then I got to my first duty station where the only PRT we did was the 10 warm-up drills. My PT score dropped 30 points, and now I do PT on my own in addition to unit PT just to recover lost ground.
If you were already a PT stud, SPC Christopher Smith, maybe PRT didn't benefit you that much. For people like me, PRT works!
If you were already a PT stud, SPC Christopher Smith, maybe PRT didn't benefit you that much. For people like me, PRT works!
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SPC Christopher Smith
If it works for you I say go for it. I shared my personal belief, in AIT and Basic PRT didn't do much for me. I had to workout on my own in order to make sure I passed my PT test. I personally do not believe it is a great program, and I believe people have bought into it making it seem like the best thing under the sun.
I believe don't complain without offering a solution, so my solution is allow people and units the ability to do what they need to get passing scores. Ultimately trying the cookie cutter approach for physical fitness will only result in people failing.
I believe don't complain without offering a solution, so my solution is allow people and units the ability to do what they need to get passing scores. Ultimately trying the cookie cutter approach for physical fitness will only result in people failing.
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SSG Genaro Negrete
SPC Christopher Smith , the other side of the PRT coin is mitigating overuse injuries while doing PT. The time lost to profiles and recovery time can add up quickly across a battalion sized unit.
The culture change that needs to happen is to get away from doing pt in order to pass a pt test. The test has been given too much influence when it is only meant to gauge a unit's physical fitness readiness. But that leads into a whole other discussion about the APFT itself.
I'll leave it at this; no matter what the morning PT session involves, those that seek to improve will conduct PT on their own in a manner of their choosing. Hopefully they do this with someone who can challenge them to keep pushing their limits.
The culture change that needs to happen is to get away from doing pt in order to pass a pt test. The test has been given too much influence when it is only meant to gauge a unit's physical fitness readiness. But that leads into a whole other discussion about the APFT itself.
I'll leave it at this; no matter what the morning PT session involves, those that seek to improve will conduct PT on their own in a manner of their choosing. Hopefully they do this with someone who can challenge them to keep pushing their limits.
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SPC Christopher Smith
SSG Genaro Negrete I agree, APFT has become the thing we focus way too much attention on because we have allowed it to be one of the largest areas for promotion as far as points is concerned. Lets not dive into that right now though. Speaking on reducing overuse injuries, sticking to a static program, at least from what I have read and been lead through, will result in overuse issues. I believe we are trying too hard to solve this issue with a cookie cutter standard, although we all are not built the same, nor are our other variables the same (diet, genetics, etc.).
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I got it that it is official. I believe that most people view units doing as the please, becasue they have not looked deep enough into the manual to know what it says from front to back. Most individuals know that what it says in the first couple of chapters with respect to conditioning drills and mobility drills, but not anything at the end of the manual.
I am not saying that you are one of these individuals, I am also not saying that this is the only reason people do as they want, it is just a different way of looking at the problem as presented.
I am not saying that you are one of these individuals, I am also not saying that this is the only reason people do as they want, it is just a different way of looking at the problem as presented.
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SFC (Join to see)
LTC (Join to see), it is a decent program, just far from complete and still not up to date with modern fitness routines. Perhaps I'd have a better view of PRT if I was on active duty. PRT is difficult to use to its full potential in the national guard.
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LTC (Join to see)
Agreed. It has its merits. There are things that alot of people like, and also things that a lot of people don't like, just the way it is with changing something.
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PRT is hard to implement. It is difficult to see the benefits in reserve units in particular as we do not do organized PT every day. We also do not have any pull up bars in most reserve centers or armories. Seeing a reserve unit having a full ketel bell sets is highly unlikely.
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I have seen quite a bit about not understanding the program or exercises throughout this post. Master Fitness Training taught us everything about it. And as far as over use of the body and injuries, what about doing PT twice a day all week instead of just continuing it for 30 minutes after standard PT for recoveries or failures? A Soldier fails thier APFT, gets "smoked" for a couple weeks and gets injured. Now they are riding a profile. I think many leaders see the numbers but not the problems that are underlining the statistics.
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While it is mandatory you are allowed to add to it. In September I attended a week long course at Fort Drum called MAW(Mountain Athlete Warrior). It’s based off a program called Ranger Athlete Warrior. It covered quite a bit regarding fitness and nutrition. The workout we performed were in addition to the Army’s PRT. We would perform the prep drills followed by some a MAW prep routine. Then we would move on to PRT conditioning drill 1 or 2 which isn’t very demanding. That really served as a warm up. Once that was completed we would perform a more demanding workout such as High Intensity Interval Training using a cross fit type of training, a hybrid workout, shuttle runs, or whatever as long as you mix it up day after day to avoid over training. We would end with PRT and MAW recover drills.
This satisfies the Army’s requirement to perform PRT while adding meaningful training.
In the guard we don’t have the opportunity to PT several times a week as a unit, so we’ve been incorporating what we learned at MAW to our PT during drills. We know one weekend a month is not going to make anyone fit, but we use it as a tool to educate our soldiers in proper methods of exercise.
This satisfies the Army’s requirement to perform PRT while adding meaningful training.
In the guard we don’t have the opportunity to PT several times a week as a unit, so we’ve been incorporating what we learned at MAW to our PT during drills. We know one weekend a month is not going to make anyone fit, but we use it as a tool to educate our soldiers in proper methods of exercise.
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It is mandatory. http://www.armyprt.com/approach/training-program.shtml
"Physical readiness training is a mandatory training requirement because it is—
Considered by senior leaders to be essential to individual, unit, and force readiness.
Required by law for all individuals and units."
"Physical readiness training is a mandatory training requirement because it is—
Considered by senior leaders to be essential to individual, unit, and force readiness.
Required by law for all individuals and units."
Army Physical Readiness Training (PRT) Information
We provide the easiest way to get all the information you need about the U.S. Army PRT Program.
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I was not aware of an official mandate. I thought the whole thing was still in the testing and refinement stage. As far as I know, the "official" PRT set of exercises are just strongly encouraged as a method to follow. Has there been an official memorandum regarding this?
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SSG Genaro Negrete
Not to mention that it went from a training circular to an actual field manual a few years back.
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1SG (Join to see)
AR 350-1 G-9 covers PRT. I have included the paragraph that applies.
(1) Commanders or the senior military supervisors will establish physical readiness training programs consistent
with this regulation, FM7–22, and unit missions. PRT sessions will be conducted with appropriate intensity, frequency,
and duration to develop a high level of strength, endurance, and mobility. Commanders (company through division)
will leverage the expertise of Soldiers awarded the Master Fitness Trainer (MFT) ASI in planning, executing and
sustaining unit physical readiness training.
(1) Commanders or the senior military supervisors will establish physical readiness training programs consistent
with this regulation, FM7–22, and unit missions. PRT sessions will be conducted with appropriate intensity, frequency,
and duration to develop a high level of strength, endurance, and mobility. Commanders (company through division)
will leverage the expertise of Soldiers awarded the Master Fitness Trainer (MFT) ASI in planning, executing and
sustaining unit physical readiness training.
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1SG (Join to see)
I meant literally following the specific exercises and Drills as layed out in the manuals and the GTA, Could be just a reserve thing. Sometimes we do those, but most of the time it's go to the gym or run on own. I assumed, then, that the PRT program was mostly guidance, guess I am way wrong
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