Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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What Would You Do
Posted 8 y ago
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I would whisper in their ear of the consequences if they do not do it. Now it's a comment just between me and that individual.
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MSgt Terry Dorsey
I would take him out of ranks and repot him to my Commander for insubordination and article 15.
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If my other soldiers didn't already didn't correct him I would instantly pull him into the treeline and offer him a blank 4856 or a bottle of water and make him choose. Or we can make it old school and do some close door counseling.
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SGT Randy Lavasseur
The sign of early leadership if you are doing the right thing your other soldiers should dig in his ass. You still have to stack on tho. Make them feel they are not on the team and make that top priority on their mind. Reverse psychology
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Don't they go to the brig for refusing orders? I'm just a civilian, but it seems to me that such a break down in discipline will get other soldiers killed in battle. Whatever the E5 decides to do, I hope it's harsh.
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in today's army military the correct response would be something to the affect of I gave you an order and you will execute. Then a trip to your supervisor and have discussion with said soldier (assuming you are right)the next higher NCO would hear both sides and explain what is going to occur. Usually that is either, look knuckle head you're in the military execute or you can grandstand and I'll recommend you for UCMJ. Then you get the joy of hoping your commander supports NCOs and doesn't buy the excuse of the insubordination being someone else's fault. As combat arms soldier this didn't happen often and usually the threat of taking free time to ensure the issues were properly addressed by corrective training conducted by me after 1800 or UCMJ was enough. The best way to get compliance is to take time or money, and as an NCO (depending on your command group) time is something NCOs control. As an E5 you can expect to get grown up kids trying to push their boundaries. I would encourage quick action as once you get a person like that in your unit, if you can't get them to do anything, or they refuse to be useful it will cause morale issues when other people have to work harder to compensate for the weakest link.
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Use positive criticism for the lower ranking individual. Assure that he/she understands what is expected of them is not a burden but a detail of learning and knowledge.
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I would calmly give him a page 11 counseling and then e definitely would be pulling duty for a week in the common area; so everybody could see that mouthing off doesn't pay!
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