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Something has to done and done soon. You can be assured the attack on the Marine and NAVY recruiters will happen again. I have no proof to back up my statement, but common sense should make you realize it will happen again. Our recruiters can't be left to be sitting ducks. They need to be armed. At least they have a chance at defending theirselves. Now for the story from American Thinker.
The terrorist organization known as ISIS has made it clear that a part of its jihadist war plan against America is carrying out so-called "lone wolf" attacks aimed primarily against members of our military and possibly their families. The attacks in Chattanooga by an apparent Islamic lone wolf are the latest result of that terror tactic. We can only guess as to what the future holds for American warriors and their families. We should not wait to find out.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/07/how_to_formally_arm_our_troops.html#ixzz3gIj9jTZo
The terrorist organization known as ISIS has made it clear that a part of its jihadist war plan against America is carrying out so-called "lone wolf" attacks aimed primarily against members of our military and possibly their families. The attacks in Chattanooga by an apparent Islamic lone wolf are the latest result of that terror tactic. We can only guess as to what the future holds for American warriors and their families. We should not wait to find out.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/07/how_to_formally_arm_our_troops.html#ixzz3gIj9jTZo
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The current policy on banned firing arms at Recruiting Stations need to be revised, and if the revision takes place implement training classes like everything else that comes with change in the military.
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MSG Floyd Williams, It sounds simple put that way. Now all we have to do is get military, congress and the POTUS on board. That's not as simple as it should be.
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SGT (Join to see) - If only the politicians can stay out of military affairs, our U.S. Armed Forces would be in better shape.
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With all e different type of people slaughtered in random shootings we would have to arm everybody. Having every person In Uniform walking around with guns would be a very bad idea in my view. Lot more people would die.
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MAJ (Join to see)
You'd only need to protect the vulnerable targets it's very difficult to target random individuals, but a recruiter at his desk or heaven help us a direct attack on a reserve facility over the weekend. Those are easy targets. Local commander's should be given guidance on "shall arm" procedures where NCO's and Officers can carry unless the commander has justification to restrict them (psychotropic medications, failure to qualify, poor behavior, or revocation of a clearance would be good examples of when not to allow an individual to carry)
I wonder how long it will be until a lone wolf wanders into a reserve battle assembly and finds hundreds of unarmed highly trained Soldiers with no means of escape or hiding?
I wonder how long it will be until a lone wolf wanders into a reserve battle assembly and finds hundreds of unarmed highly trained Soldiers with no means of escape or hiding?
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PO2 Robert Cuminale
"unless the commander has justification to restrict them (psychotropic medications, failure to qualify, poor behavior, or revocation of a clearance would be good examples of when not to allow an individual to carry) "
Why are these people in the military if they can be disqualified from carrying a firearm? Psychotropics are used to normalize a person. If it isn't doing that then the person needs better evaluation and prescribing.
Why are these people in the military if they can be disqualified from carrying a firearm? Psychotropics are used to normalize a person. If it isn't doing that then the person needs better evaluation and prescribing.
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My thoughts on this post:
Active Military and veterans should have the right to always carry. Cops can carry. Why can't we? Especially because of this situation.
Isis wanting to kill Americans or/and military members... is, I believe, because we won't get out of their countries. I mean, we're kind of a huge bully over there (we ARE trying to help those who need help, yes) but isn't that their problem? We can't save everyone. There are millions and billions of people in the world dying from this and that and we as Americans (not only military) are all over the world trying to help some cause. And I'm sure we're not the only country that cares.
I think if we care so much about our people, we need to leave their country alone. And if they don't leave us alone, and they are killing their people and our people, and their civilians hate being there, they are dumb for staying, and if they can't leave I'm sure they'd rather be dead than watch their families die and everyone around them tortured... so blow it up.
OF COURSE if you knew me personally, you'd know that I love everyone equally, I help my friends as much as I can, I'm very understanding and forgiving... but just like a counselor would say "you can't help someone who's not willing to change or better themselves" so we need to leave their country, and if they don't leave us alone they should be bombed.
Active Military and veterans should have the right to always carry. Cops can carry. Why can't we? Especially because of this situation.
Isis wanting to kill Americans or/and military members... is, I believe, because we won't get out of their countries. I mean, we're kind of a huge bully over there (we ARE trying to help those who need help, yes) but isn't that their problem? We can't save everyone. There are millions and billions of people in the world dying from this and that and we as Americans (not only military) are all over the world trying to help some cause. And I'm sure we're not the only country that cares.
I think if we care so much about our people, we need to leave their country alone. And if they don't leave us alone, and they are killing their people and our people, and their civilians hate being there, they are dumb for staying, and if they can't leave I'm sure they'd rather be dead than watch their families die and everyone around them tortured... so blow it up.
OF COURSE if you knew me personally, you'd know that I love everyone equally, I help my friends as much as I can, I'm very understanding and forgiving... but just like a counselor would say "you can't help someone who's not willing to change or better themselves" so we need to leave their country, and if they don't leave us alone they should be bombed.
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Cops are trained extensively in the law surrounding use of deadly force here in the US. At a minimum you would want active military and veterans to receive the same training.
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MSgt J D McKee
The Law Enforcement Safety Act allows even retired cops to concealed carry. It was recently amended (couple years ago) to include military police. You can carry anywhere in the US, NY, DC, and PRC (for example) can just shut up and take it. So, the USAF of course makes it almost impossible to get by adding hoops to jump through, including a damn doctor's certificate that you aren't crazy, or some such. I mean, can nobody in the freakin' military just leave well enough alone without adding their own bullshit requirements to it?
I got mine from my civilian department where I worked for about 1/4 of the time I had in the USAF as a cop, because I could. THEY trusted me. PO Stevens, I agree with you on one thing for sure, if people want to kill each other in other countries, want to starve to death because they're ignorant, etc, we should let them. We should turn the US into a utopia, and man the borders. See, when we go into other people's countries and push them around, kill them, force them into our ways, oddly, it makes them hate us. A substantial part of the worlds population hate the Great Satan, anyway, but we certainly make it worse.
Most people in the world don't want or need democracy, they want to live how they want to live. Weirdly.
All it needs is a simple amendment to the LEOSA to include active duty and retired military and give a responsible agency for it, and funding. The USAF appears to have contracted it out to civilians on the website.
I got mine from my civilian department where I worked for about 1/4 of the time I had in the USAF as a cop, because I could. THEY trusted me. PO Stevens, I agree with you on one thing for sure, if people want to kill each other in other countries, want to starve to death because they're ignorant, etc, we should let them. We should turn the US into a utopia, and man the borders. See, when we go into other people's countries and push them around, kill them, force them into our ways, oddly, it makes them hate us. A substantial part of the worlds population hate the Great Satan, anyway, but we certainly make it worse.
Most people in the world don't want or need democracy, they want to live how they want to live. Weirdly.
All it needs is a simple amendment to the LEOSA to include active duty and retired military and give a responsible agency for it, and funding. The USAF appears to have contracted it out to civilians on the website.
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I can't believe General Odierno sighted the Posse Comitatus Act as a reason for not allowing our military personnel to carry defensive weapons. The act prevents the military from enforcing domestic laws not defending themselves. I am in complete agreement with LCDR Rabbi Jaron Matlow and others who say you fight the way you train and if you can't qualify or be trusted with a weapon there is no place for you in the military with the exception of medical and religious personnel (if they choose to be excluded). If we were trained to defend ourselves in a domestic setting we would become proficient. If law enforcement personnel can, the military certainly can. The Coast Guard carries with a round in the chamber on Law enforcement patrols! I was in Kuwait guarding the port where 98% of supplies were pouring in and the Army Commander was so worried about accidental discharge that we were ordered to carry our M-16 without a magazine. Any idiot could take one look at us and see we were in no position to defend ourselves let alone the port!! When we came home from deployment I had several people leave the service and I couldn't blame them. Their reasoning was they signed up to defend their country but it was a disservice to their families if they couldn't even defend themselves. I could have one in the chamber INCONUS but was carrying an empty weapon in a high threat combat rear area...I still shake my head in disbelief!!! Accidental discharges be damned, I would rather die with my boots on than with a target on my back !
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Thank you Master Chief. I'm happy with you being unarmed in a war zone didn't get you guys hurt. It's asinine.
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There should be military guards at all military installations. As was done, traditionally, Marines should guard Naval Bases, both USN and USMC. I would extend that to recruiting stations.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
...oh, and I believe it's worth noting...they should actually be locked and loaded, UNLIKE our Marines in Beirut, 1983.
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PO2 Robert Cuminale
CDR, how about some of those SEABEES they're trying to get to become MAs? Program results have been lackluster because BEES don't sign up to go sea.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
Good call, PO2 Robert Cuminale, but I guess I'm more of a traditionalist. I'm for Marine Infantrymen or MPs guarding both shore installations and "special weapons" on surface ships.
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PO2 Robert Cuminale
CDR, but it looks like they're going to phase out the Marines and fill the billets with these MAs.
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By providing extensive weapons training during recruiting school. For those already in the field utilize CATM at their assigned base to provide them with M9 training. Then AFRS should purchase concealment holsters and M9s to arm the force.
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Permanently issued military firearms. You have one for the entire time you are in the military, you keep it for life, and you carry it EVERYWHERE! Anyone messes with America again, Game Over…
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I work in countries where every officer and Sr. NCO is armed almost all the time. Maybe we should look at that practice. It works well for them.
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