Posted on Jan 13, 2016
How should the US respond to Iran detaining 10 US Sailors?
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300 miles of open water for a small craft unescorted tells me there was a major FUBAR. Add to that a rogue nation that won't necessarily honor international conventions that we're operating near makes this a Powerball FUBAR.
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LTC Paul Labrador
Sir, what part of the gulf were they operating in? If they were in the Straits of Hormuz, then as you well know, it's a very narrow waterway, which is ideal to small patrol boats.
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CPO (Join to see)
Sir with all do respect that's is RIVRON's job is to patrol and escort US assets in and out of the straits. They belong to NECC and that is their mission. The boats can go up 500 NT miles out so they are built to operate in those waters and have been doing said mission sense 2004 They received better boats and training when they merged with NECC. Iran has been watching us sense they have been doing this mission and you know they know the TTP's and ROE's so when one thing went wrong they jumped.
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CAPT Kevin B.
Thanks for the update Chief. In my day, the boats were rather fickle so you didn't want to send them on longer transits unescorted. We'll hear more out of the hot wash. However it appears a number of things either went wrong or one thing went wrong with no quick response. Either way, disturbing.
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As we all know, there are facts that will never be revealed to us. The explanations provided are questionable at best, an out and out lie in the worst case. There are times that the Government must lie to the people for national security. I believe this was a situation where Iran could show they still have "teeth" in the face of the new treaty and wanted to see how other countries would respond. As far as our service member apologizing, it is not unheard of that Iran demanded that and threatened the others under his command and he did what he felt he had to keep his people safe and get them home, even at the possible loss of his future in the service.
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I wont google it but I think they were caught near an Iranian Naval Speedboat yard. Also air power is faster than boats.
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SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT
MAJ Ken Landgren last time I checked we have a few aircraft in the AOR
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I don't know what happened exactly, only those that were there do. But, I think that the Sailor who has been shown on the news was speaking well and not being confrontational, opposite as to what many nations perceive Americans to be. He handled himself well. Iran did what the US would do if another country's military entered their waters, from everything I've seen and heard today both nations' representatives behave professionally and much better than we would have seen a few years back. I'm just glad no violence occurred, yes they got propaganda to skew, but we have our Sailors back.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
I don't agree. We don't put them at gun point on there knees with hands locked behind there head and then film them and release that film against international law. We send the Coast Guard out to check out the situation and lend assistance if needed.
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PO2 (Join to see)
PO2 Mark Saffell - We got ALL our Sailors back safe! My brother is over there fighting right now, please don't get him killed over this.
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I think the President might be on the right path by ignoring it and kicking sand on anything that does not fit his failed narrative? It is not like he is actually in charge of all our troops?
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MSG Brad Sand
PO2 (Join to see)
That is a question I have been asking for a long time. If I had that answer, I think I would share it.
That is a question I have been asking for a long time. If I had that answer, I think I would share it.
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After the fact it looks like both sides were able to save face on this near-miss. Why and how the boats ever got in Iranian waters (if they actually did) we will probably never know the details, but they did exercise exceptional judgement under a very difficult situation, in not resisting. It was an 'unintentional accident' as far as the record goes.
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Ask yourself what the U.S. would do if an Iranian military vessel strayed into our waters? Think we wouldn't detain those Iranian soldiers?
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LTC Paul Labrador
Depends on the circumstance. If it was unintentional or if they were crippled and floated in, yes we would detain them, but give them back to Iran as soon as possible. If they violated our waters with malicious intent (i.e the shit North Korea pulls), I'd sink them once hostile intent was confirmed.
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Sounds like the situation resolved itself (helps that the questionable nuclear "deal" has some near-term goal dates), but Step 1 in determining how to respond--given the situation as it was yesterday--is: DON'T GO OFF HALF-COCKED, AND TAKE A MOMENT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING. Do that, and you can figure out what Step 2 should be. Immediate, knee-jerk over-reactions tend to make situations worse.
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This has happened many times before with the same results, D or R. What we would like to see happen will not. Perhaps this is the best given that we have them back.
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From The New Yorker this morning.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/short-history-of-obamas-iran-hostage-crisis.html
Yesterday Iran detained two small ships of American sailors in the Persian Gulf in what appears to have been a routine dispute over alleged territorial violations. (In 2007, Iran detained 30 Royal Navy sailors and held them for two weeks.) Conservatives immediately moved onto war footing. “Iran is testing the boundaries of this administration’s resolve. And they know the boundaries are pretty wide,” pronounced Marco Rubio. Ted Cruz added, “The fact that Iran feels emboldened enough to capture two U.S. Navy ships and to take ten sailors into custody is really a demonstration of the unbelievable weakness of the Obama-Clinton foreign policy.” The jingoistic fervor swept up even such a relatively mild figure as Joe Scarborough. “Hey, Iran, you have exactly 300 days left to push a U.S. president around,” warned the normally affable cable-television host, “Enjoy it while you can. After that, there will be hell to pay.”
And now our very short national nightmare is over. Iran has released the sailors. One outstanding question remains: Does this episode tell us anything about the right-wing analysis of the administration’s foreign policy? If Iran was “testing” the administration, did the administration pass the test? Or perhaps was the right's explanation for Iran's actions analytically flawed?
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/short-history-of-obamas-iran-hostage-crisis.html
Yesterday Iran detained two small ships of American sailors in the Persian Gulf in what appears to have been a routine dispute over alleged territorial violations. (In 2007, Iran detained 30 Royal Navy sailors and held them for two weeks.) Conservatives immediately moved onto war footing. “Iran is testing the boundaries of this administration’s resolve. And they know the boundaries are pretty wide,” pronounced Marco Rubio. Ted Cruz added, “The fact that Iran feels emboldened enough to capture two U.S. Navy ships and to take ten sailors into custody is really a demonstration of the unbelievable weakness of the Obama-Clinton foreign policy.” The jingoistic fervor swept up even such a relatively mild figure as Joe Scarborough. “Hey, Iran, you have exactly 300 days left to push a U.S. president around,” warned the normally affable cable-television host, “Enjoy it while you can. After that, there will be hell to pay.”
And now our very short national nightmare is over. Iran has released the sailors. One outstanding question remains: Does this episode tell us anything about the right-wing analysis of the administration’s foreign policy? If Iran was “testing” the administration, did the administration pass the test? Or perhaps was the right's explanation for Iran's actions analytically flawed?
Obama’s Iran Hostage Crisis: A Very Short, Yet Comprehensive, Intellectual History
This proves that the administration is pathetically feckless and weak — wait, it's over?
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CPO David Sharp
Who would have even attempted such a test previously? It seems we had this situation with Russia/Cuba in the early '60s. Then The Carter years and now the Obama years. I didn't see this as a need to shoot. Embarrassing? Yes, but perhaps let us look into why the Boats' had mechanical and navigational problems. The cut backs in the Military budget may just be starting to surface.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
CPO David Sharp Here is my problem with it and there are a couple of parts. One no other nation would have put the men under pointed guns on there knees with hands behind head. That's over the top and just asking for trouble had it been anyone beside Obama and Carter. Second, filming them and putting that out is against international law. Yet Obama said zero. The to add insult to injury Kerry Thanked the Iranian's for the good treatment of our sailors. Are you kidding me??? Brings back the Viet Nam stores about Kerry. Why is it we have trouble with them when we have Presidents like Carter and Obama?? I will bet money no liberal wants to address that fact.
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CPO David Sharp
PO2, The Liberals are slapping each other on the back lauding how we got our Sailors back without firing a shot. As far as "against the law". they are a lawless nation. These Sailors, I can only hope, were told not to engage. I have some real problems with a boat carrying 240 BRAVOS, M-2 50 cals not defending itself from anyone in any waters. Soon I think something very real is going to smack the Liberals hard and I sincerely hope it happens to them or their loved ones. This to me is our "Leadership" showing "misconduct in the face of the enemy" and Iran is our enemy.
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