Posted on Oct 20, 2016
Has Mr. Trump taken his insurgent campaign too far by questioning the legitimacy of our free elections?
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Elections and our way of life in general depend upon the public's confidence. As SMs we serve to defend a constitution that has proved to be robust, interpretable and inclusive. It is a constitution that has borne a great citizen candidate in Donald Trump. But how does his thumbing his nose at the legitimacy of a system that created his candidacy serve him?
Election 2016
Donald Trump
Constitution
Posted 8 y ago
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It is called "self-handicapping" he has to find something else to blame for losing this election. We all do it to preserve our self esteem. He's blaming media bias, he's blaming voter fraud, he won't blame the facts of his campaign. He has run a campaign that appeals to a certain population at the exclusion of the rest of Americans. He is losing because he tweets, he isn't presidential, he is disliked more than any candidate in the history of the US. Without women, and the majority don't approve of groping old men, you can't win. Without the Hispanic vote, (20%) of the US population. 33% of the population might vote for him, but that isn't enough to win. This is about a country and not just one segment of the country. We are probably hosed either way, but I trust her more than him. I can't believe I just said that...
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Col Rebecca Lorraine
MSG Brad Sand - I am not an easily persuadable person, but I do have standards of conduct. I am proudly a feminist.
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MSG Brad Sand
Donald Trump Tries to Kiss Mike Pence at RNC
Donald Trump air kisses Mike Pence while he joined him on stage to introduce Pence as the Vice President nominee at the Republican National Convention.
Col Rebecca Lorraine
Not sure what the proudly feminist was supposed to imply but regardless I have been very troubled by what Trump has said but when I listen to what his accusers are stating he did I am troubled by the timing and I have leaned the election cycle that the media is as corrupt as everything else in the establishment?
I wish the Establishment media had not proven themselves so corrupt. To me, that is the most is the most troubling thing this whole election cycle...well that and the fact that Democrats are so unconcerned with the fraud of their own primary?
Additionally, when I hear most statements of the women, from decades ago, most seem to be missing a lot from how the media headlines the stories? Trump kissed them or someone pinched them in a bar and when they turn around Donald Trump was in the bar? Not sure if Trump spent too much time in Europe or France BUT he is too quick to go for a kiss for me BUT that still does not make me think he is a serial assaulter? Do you think this is another sexual assault? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz00pV_Lcgw
Not sure what the proudly feminist was supposed to imply but regardless I have been very troubled by what Trump has said but when I listen to what his accusers are stating he did I am troubled by the timing and I have leaned the election cycle that the media is as corrupt as everything else in the establishment?
I wish the Establishment media had not proven themselves so corrupt. To me, that is the most is the most troubling thing this whole election cycle...well that and the fact that Democrats are so unconcerned with the fraud of their own primary?
Additionally, when I hear most statements of the women, from decades ago, most seem to be missing a lot from how the media headlines the stories? Trump kissed them or someone pinched them in a bar and when they turn around Donald Trump was in the bar? Not sure if Trump spent too much time in Europe or France BUT he is too quick to go for a kiss for me BUT that still does not make me think he is a serial assaulter? Do you think this is another sexual assault? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz00pV_Lcgw
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Col Rebecca Lorraine
MSG Brad Sand - That was for the previous response, sorry. I am a feminist and it isn't a bad thing but the more I see the more stuff I hear and see.
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Trump's problem is that he is questioning the establishment. No one is supposed to do that.
I will tell you what a high school friend of mine said today:
SHE WORKED DIRECTLY FOR HER. So she has up and close personal knowledge of Hillary.
I worked for her, and I think she is one of the most calculated, self-serving person I have ever met. She has taken credit for work that others have done for women and children just because she helped establish those organizations. She does not care about any of us and only wants to be the first woman president. She tries to handle foreign relations like a divorce case. I could go on and on, but bottom line is that she will be very bad for the future of this country and our children and grandchildren will have to live in it.
I will tell you what a high school friend of mine said today:
SHE WORKED DIRECTLY FOR HER. So she has up and close personal knowledge of Hillary.
I worked for her, and I think she is one of the most calculated, self-serving person I have ever met. She has taken credit for work that others have done for women and children just because she helped establish those organizations. She does not care about any of us and only wants to be the first woman president. She tries to handle foreign relations like a divorce case. I could go on and on, but bottom line is that she will be very bad for the future of this country and our children and grandchildren will have to live in it.
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In order to ensure that liberties are maintained, it is always appropriate to question this. With so many corrupt people running the system, it is very important to have that discussion. If we keep looking at it, then there is less of a chance of it becoming a widespread problem.
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I wish I could have a bowl of skittles representing the number of active duty officers engaging in public partisan expression on this site sir.
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Odds Hillary Won Without Widespread Fraud: 1 in 77 Billion Says Berkeley, Stanford Studies - HNN...
Academic Researchers: Statistical models applied to 2016 vote data proves Hillary Clinton's win was only possible through widespread vote fraud.
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My "UP" vote is NOT in any way indicative of agreement with the good SSG's comment. It is, other than by narrative, the only way to acknowledge the fact that the SSG has an opinion and put forth the requisite effort to post in this forum.
What I find extremely curious, is the fact that two of the preeminent bastions of liberal thought would publish such a specious "study" in the first place without some sort of quid pro quo. This smacks of the Koch brothers' not so subtle hands...
Follow the money.
What I find extremely curious, is the fact that two of the preeminent bastions of liberal thought would publish such a specious "study" in the first place without some sort of quid pro quo. This smacks of the Koch brothers' not so subtle hands...
Follow the money.
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Col. He is not thumbing the process, he loves America. What he doesnt like is the fact that there have been many rigged elections. what is to stop them from rigging the elections to get hillery in office?
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I agree with Trump. There have been several voter fraud incidents found. So who are you to say that the national election won't be rigged too? Komifornia and other states are allowing NON CITIZENS to get a drivers license and vote. So ya saying rigged is right.
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Honestly its a valid question. As (supposedly) Stalin once said "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." Considering that there isn't any actual formal system to see who is voting in most places and also noting that these locations are staffed by volunteers with only a total of 789 federal election monitors at a very small fraction of voting stations. I would be very surprised if 35 was the number of fraudulent votes.
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No I don't think he's gone too far questioning the legitimacy of the election. I also wouldn't consider it thumbing his nose at the system that created him. The graphic is misleading because it implies that the only voter fraud that happened is what's within Trump's hand. Those are the credible allegations which basically means someone was caught. Any sane person would start to question the legitimacy of an election if you find out voter fraud is occurring. Let's not forget that the DNC was caught stacking the deck in Hillary's favor over Bernie Sanders. Even among the majority of my die-hard Bernie supporters, most of them are swinging towards Gary Johnson and have adopted a never Hillary mantra. So questions start coming up... who exactly is voting for her. I genuinely have a single person in my friends list supporting Hillary... but the rest of my liberal friends regard her as poison.
Another thing to consider is the wide spread voter apathy that people are feeling this year. In my state, less than 1/3 of all registered voters actually voted. Now imagine if 1/3 of those non-voters just happened to have all voted for a single candidate just to swing the state majority.
You asked how questioning the process which allowed him to advance so far would serve him. Well the simple answer is he has based his entire campaign around the "We The People" philosophy. With both major parties set out to destroy him, he is getting people riled up about establishment government and career politicians. He is making more people aware of the corrupt nature of politics. Even if he doesn't win, he'll already have most people believing the election was bought and paid for by the Clinton foundation. That's how his questioning serves him.
Another thing to consider is the wide spread voter apathy that people are feeling this year. In my state, less than 1/3 of all registered voters actually voted. Now imagine if 1/3 of those non-voters just happened to have all voted for a single candidate just to swing the state majority.
You asked how questioning the process which allowed him to advance so far would serve him. Well the simple answer is he has based his entire campaign around the "We The People" philosophy. With both major parties set out to destroy him, he is getting people riled up about establishment government and career politicians. He is making more people aware of the corrupt nature of politics. Even if he doesn't win, he'll already have most people believing the election was bought and paid for by the Clinton foundation. That's how his questioning serves him.
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Odds Hillary Won Without Widespread Fraud: 1 in 77 Billion Says Berkeley, Stanford Studies - HNN...
Academic Researchers: Statistical models applied to 2016 vote data proves Hillary Clinton's win was only possible through widespread vote fraud.
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Cpl Justin Goolsby
So what you're saying is when they're tallying up the polls I should be in Vegas putting all my money on Hillary. lol
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I do not think that our election will be impacted by voter fraud.
However, I also think that ONE case of voter fraud is very VERY wrong and should be investigated and punished if found true.
The other thing I find wrong is the political exaggerations to show a point. The figures here may not be an exaggeration but they are certainly cached to over emphasize a point. And as shown people do see though the BS (PGBS that is).
However, I also think that ONE case of voter fraud is very VERY wrong and should be investigated and punished if found true.
The other thing I find wrong is the political exaggerations to show a point. The figures here may not be an exaggeration but they are certainly cached to over emphasize a point. And as shown people do see though the BS (PGBS that is).
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