Posted on Aug 22, 2014
Feelings on displaying the Confederate flag on your POV or person while on a military installation?
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Recently, I had a long and heated discussion with a fellow veteran about this issue. I don't know for sure whether a branch-specific reg or a DoD-wide reg exists that prohibits/allows personnel on a military installation to display the Confederate flag on their personal vehicle or on their person (e.g. a belt buckle). Maybe this is a base-specific policy and left to the judgment of the installation commander. Display of the Confederate flag is a divisive issue and people often feel really strongly one way or the other. But today, it is still a relevant topic and touches on other military leadership/discipline areas, including the actions of one member deeply offending another member -- regardless of whether said action is legal/authorized. That can create huge problems in a military unit, and this happened in a unit I personally served in. So, below are my questions for the RallyPoint community about this issue.
Please try to keep comments professional (don't attack one another) and explain your thoughts as best you can.
Questions:
(1) How do you feel about the Confederate flag being displayed on the vehicle/person of a service member if he/she is ON post? How does your opinion change if the member is OFF post?
(2) What does the Confederate flag symbolize to you personally? What do you think it can symbolize to other people around you who may perceive it differently?
(3) If you have personally experienced a military-related situation where a symbol/flag caused someone to be offended, what happened and what did you/would you have done as the leader?
I look fwd to everyone's thoughts on this. Personally, I have some strong feelings about this issue, though I don't want to bias people's answers upfront. Please be as honest as possible.
Tag: SSG Emily Williams Col (Join to see) 1SG Steven Stankovich SSG Scott Williams 1LT Sandy Annala CPT (Join to see) SSG V. Michelle Woods MSG Carl Cunningham
Please try to keep comments professional (don't attack one another) and explain your thoughts as best you can.
Questions:
(1) How do you feel about the Confederate flag being displayed on the vehicle/person of a service member if he/she is ON post? How does your opinion change if the member is OFF post?
(2) What does the Confederate flag symbolize to you personally? What do you think it can symbolize to other people around you who may perceive it differently?
(3) If you have personally experienced a military-related situation where a symbol/flag caused someone to be offended, what happened and what did you/would you have done as the leader?
I look fwd to everyone's thoughts on this. Personally, I have some strong feelings about this issue, though I don't want to bias people's answers upfront. Please be as honest as possible.
Tag: SSG Emily Williams Col (Join to see) 1SG Steven Stankovich SSG Scott Williams 1LT Sandy Annala CPT (Join to see) SSG V. Michelle Woods MSG Carl Cunningham
Edited 10 y ago
Posted 10 y ago
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Then he is in the wrong Army. The people who fought for that flag killed AMERICAN soldiers
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I used to have a rebel flag license plate on the front of my vehicle that I drove onto a base in Oklahoma in the 1990s. I never had a single issue or cross word about it from anybody. My purpose for it was to show that I was from the South. What someone else's view of it was doesn't matter. It's my vehicle. Someone else can choose to attach any meaning they want to ANY symbol out there.
I should not have to change what I have simply because someone else chooses to attach a negative meaning to something. What's next, folks of the Muslim faith being offended by and demanding the removal of Christian crosses? That's right, we already have that. Don't you folks realize the Pandora's box you have opened?
It's basically like someone else on here said when they made the comparison of wearing a Red Sox jersey to a Yankees game. Just because I like the Red Sox does not mean that I hate the Yankees.
I should not have to change what I have simply because someone else chooses to attach a negative meaning to something. What's next, folks of the Muslim faith being offended by and demanding the removal of Christian crosses? That's right, we already have that. Don't you folks realize the Pandora's box you have opened?
It's basically like someone else on here said when they made the comparison of wearing a Red Sox jersey to a Yankees game. Just because I like the Red Sox does not mean that I hate the Yankees.
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Might as well be flying an IsIs Flag or a Nazi Flag. I wonder what this traitor does during the National Anthem. I guess he strips
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It has taken the Army years to understand that Regiments are families and not machines. For years the Army was trapped in the World War Two Individual Replacement System which looked at people as parts of a machine and not as human beings. The British Army never made that mistake they understood the emotional attachment that soldiers have for their Regiments. I served with the Fifth Cavalry Regiment which has a long and proud history and now the Army has finally realized will keep people going when any “rational” person would run like hell.
I live in Virginia and down here I am referred to as a "d*mnedyankee" and that is said as one word. Of course it really doesn't help my case that I wear a U.S. Cavalry Stetson hat with the crossed sabers marked with my regimental number and yellow cord and tell them that I am part of the Yankee Army of Occupation. I love southerners I have almost as much fun yanking their chains as Texans. Of course Texans have as wild a sense of humor as I do. I made a wise crack that “If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell.” Someone asked this Texan if he was not offended by my remark, he replied “Of course not damn a man who won’t stand up for his home state!”
I enlisted in the United States Army at age 17 and served with the Air Cavalry Division in Vietnam so I come with what we call the “standard issue Cavalry smart mouth”. My family comes from Spain and my first langue is Spanish although I was born in the United States. My grandfather, my father and my uncle Willie were also Cavalrymen so the “standard issue Cavalry smart mouth” is also genetic as well as professional. . My mother was crying that I was going to die in Vietnam if you have never seen a Spanish langue soap opera you have no idea of the production that is. So my grandfather said “My grandson who are you going to war with?” I replied “The First Squadron of the Fifth Cavalry Regiment grandfather. My grandfather said “Julia do not be concerned the Fifth Cavalry Regiment is a magnificent regiment I fought them in Porto Rico they fight like tigers led by jackasses but still they fight like tigers. Honestly what could I say but “Gee grandfather, I did not know you knew my officers.” My grandfather, my father and my uncle Willie and I all started laughing my got this Queen Victoria “we are not amused look on her face and muttered “canallas” which can be loosely translated as swine which made the four of us laugh even more. There is a legend that George IV (George Augustus Frederick; 12 August 1762 – 26 June 1830) is reputed to have asked his George Bryan "Beau" Brummell (7 June 1778 – 30 March 1840) of the Tenth Royal Hussars why the British Army had cavalry regiments his reply was “Why Sir? To lend a little tone to what otherwise would be nothing more than a vulgar brawl.”
I live in Virginia and down here I am referred to as a "d*mnedyankee" and that is said as one word. Of course it really doesn't help my case that I wear a U.S. Cavalry Stetson hat with the crossed sabers marked with my regimental number and yellow cord and tell them that I am part of the Yankee Army of Occupation. I love southerners I have almost as much fun yanking their chains as Texans. Of course Texans have as wild a sense of humor as I do. I made a wise crack that “If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell.” Someone asked this Texan if he was not offended by my remark, he replied “Of course not damn a man who won’t stand up for his home state!”
I enlisted in the United States Army at age 17 and served with the Air Cavalry Division in Vietnam so I come with what we call the “standard issue Cavalry smart mouth”. My family comes from Spain and my first langue is Spanish although I was born in the United States. My grandfather, my father and my uncle Willie were also Cavalrymen so the “standard issue Cavalry smart mouth” is also genetic as well as professional. . My mother was crying that I was going to die in Vietnam if you have never seen a Spanish langue soap opera you have no idea of the production that is. So my grandfather said “My grandson who are you going to war with?” I replied “The First Squadron of the Fifth Cavalry Regiment grandfather. My grandfather said “Julia do not be concerned the Fifth Cavalry Regiment is a magnificent regiment I fought them in Porto Rico they fight like tigers led by jackasses but still they fight like tigers. Honestly what could I say but “Gee grandfather, I did not know you knew my officers.” My grandfather, my father and my uncle Willie and I all started laughing my got this Queen Victoria “we are not amused look on her face and muttered “canallas” which can be loosely translated as swine which made the four of us laugh even more. There is a legend that George IV (George Augustus Frederick; 12 August 1762 – 26 June 1830) is reputed to have asked his George Bryan "Beau" Brummell (7 June 1778 – 30 March 1840) of the Tenth Royal Hussars why the British Army had cavalry regiments his reply was “Why Sir? To lend a little tone to what otherwise would be nothing more than a vulgar brawl.”
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it should be up to the Post Commander as to whether or not something like that should be allowed or not.
and an article from 2015 in USAToday about it says a lot about how the DoD is handling that issue.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/25/military-ok-confederate-flag-now/29307077/
and an article from 2015 in USAToday about it says a lot about how the DoD is handling that issue.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/25/military-ok-confederate-flag-now/29307077/
Military is OK with Confederate flag — for now
It's not clear how leaders will respond, if at all, to the anti-Confederate groundswell.
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As long as I don't get called the "N" word or get treated like I am not human. I am ok. I expect to be respected as he would any other person walking the earth. I have southern pride too being from SC. I actually understand part of the southern pride. But only as far as they way of simple livin and all. Hell...I even love country music even though it never had me and my race in mind. I like the Merican feel of it. But I know it is for a target audience or group. And some would even say it is not my music...but whatever...it is a mindset. And the flag is also a mindset in the same way. I know the roots to the flag and it's links to the hood. I would even go as far to saw that there are two different groups of flag people. Ones that are racist and ones that are just cool guys that love all and love their southern roots. It is damn hard to tell the difference...often until it is too late.
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As long as I don't get called the "N" word or get treated like I am not human. I am ok. I expect to be respected as he would any other person walking the earth. I have southern pride too being from SC. I actually understand part of the southern pride. But only as far as they way of simple livin and all. Hell...I even love country music even though it never had me and my race in mind. I like the Merican feel of it. But I know it is for a target audience or group. And some would even say it is not my music...but whatever...it is a mindset. And the flag is also a mindset in the same way. I know the roots to the flag and it's links to the hood. I would even go as far to saw that there are two different groups of flag people. Ones that are racist and ones that are just cool guys that love all and love their southern roots. It is damn hard to tell the difference...often until it is too late.
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As long as I don't get called the "N" word or get treated like I am not human. I am ok. I expect to be respected as he would any other person walking the earth. I have southern pride too being from SC. I actually understand part of the southern pride. But only as far as they way of simple livin and all. Hell...I even love country music even though it never had me and my race in mind. I like the Merican feel of it. But I know it is for a target audience or group. And some would even say it is not my music...but whatever...it is a mindset. And the flag is also a mindset in the same way. I know the roots to the flag and it's links to the hood. I would even go as far to saw that there are two different groups of flag people. Ones that are racist and ones that are just cool guys that love all and love their southern roots. It is damn hard to tell the difference...often until it is too late.
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