Posted on Sep 16, 2018
During your transition from Soldier to Civilian, what were the biggest differences between your expectations and reality?
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A question for those who were in the military:
During your transition from Soldier to Civilian, what were the biggest differences between your expectations and reality? Or did everything go down exactly how you expected?
One thing that varied from my expectations: I expected everyone at my civilian job to act like adults. I figured those who didn't adult would be let go. Unfortunately, that's not the case.
During your transition from Soldier to Civilian, what were the biggest differences between your expectations and reality? Or did everything go down exactly how you expected?
One thing that varied from my expectations: I expected everyone at my civilian job to act like adults. I figured those who didn't adult would be let go. Unfortunately, that's not the case.
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The civilian world makes fun of our dedication to mission because a lot of them don't want to do the job!
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SMSgt Thor Merich
They don’t know what dedication is. They tend to be so selfish that they don’t understand putting something else first before themselves.
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MSgt Alejandro Hernandez (RETIRED)
To me civilians are just weird. They walk around aimlessly all the time and they have no situational awareness at all.
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SFC Dennis A.
They (some) get confused and suspicious when it's not your job but you offer to help. You get the deer in the headlight look and then they normally ask "what's in it for you" and when you reply "nothing, just thought I'd give you a hand". I get the impression they think I'm trying to cheat them out of something or throw them under the bus. No concept of teamwork.
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SFC Jason Evans I had a good plan in place and everything worked according to plan. Two observations: In college, I expected folks to be there that wanted to obtain a degree. Instead, I found many folks that were there to have fun and party. I was also working full time, and was strictly focused on my degree plan. I was discharged in 1972, so I also encountered folks that did not like the military and veterans. Also, as you observed, I encountered many co-workers that did not have my work ethic which was unsettling.
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LCDR (Join to see)
By the time I was a junior in engineering school, most of the partiers had flunked out, so I didn't have to deal with that so much. However, when I was sent to get my MBA while still on active duty I made the same mistake you did and presumed everyone would care about a degree they paid $50,000 and 2 years of their life for. It was very strange to me that the military people who were getting a free ride were generally far more dedicated than the civilians.
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MSgt Alejandro Hernandez (RETIRED)
I have to agree with you Sir. I see the same at my college that I am attending. The students are always late and the teachers dont seem to care. I just want to go all drill sergeant on them but I cant
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I was going to be an internet bazillionaire. Didn't happen - 30% unrealistic expectations, 20% didn't try hard enough, and 50% loss of focus when distracted by life events. Number 1 lesson learned: Take your GI Bill and go get a degree immediately! Immediately. Also, immediately. I agree with anyone who complains about college degrees being overrated by corporate America - however, if you want to get good jobs without having to fight tooth-and-nail for them, then get a college degree.
Also, I was frustrated during my service with some of the small, inconsequential-but-irritating things that came down from high above in the Army - everything from obsessions with earplug cases and reflective PT belts to ideas that just didn't make sense. I had the impression that since the civilian world was so wealthy (this was the 90s), apparently so happy, and moving along rapidly (again, the 90s), that they just HAD to be smarter than we were.
They're not.
Be prepared to mutter to yourself, "You've got to f---- kidding me," from time to time. I expected everything to be well-oiled, high-speed low-drag, with common sense ruling the day and everybody just getting rich. That's not reality. But you can earn a good living.
Also, anyone coming off active duty is probably used to dealing with folks who understand simple things like how to brief people, how to supervise or manage a collective action of some sort, and the necessity of someone being ultimately responsible for getting something done. The civilian corporate world is peopled by folks who have never, ever, ever come in contact with anything like troop leading procedures or brief-backs or in-depth discussions of leadership. Things are very loose by comparison to the active duty Army. Some companies embrace management fads that seem to distribute responsibility in as ambiguous and ethereal a manner as possible. However, this varies by company and industry (and I've seen it change slightly inside a company over time).
The most important thing I could have done would have been to have gotten a degree immediately upon leaving the regular Army. Now, you can get one online. I got mine through UMUC. A Soldier could start on that while they're still on active duty, though I think the Army should set up a special program that accommodates the chaotic schedules of some units. A degree in an industry-relevant, in-demand field (read STEM, by the way), is critically important.
Also, I was frustrated during my service with some of the small, inconsequential-but-irritating things that came down from high above in the Army - everything from obsessions with earplug cases and reflective PT belts to ideas that just didn't make sense. I had the impression that since the civilian world was so wealthy (this was the 90s), apparently so happy, and moving along rapidly (again, the 90s), that they just HAD to be smarter than we were.
They're not.
Be prepared to mutter to yourself, "You've got to f---- kidding me," from time to time. I expected everything to be well-oiled, high-speed low-drag, with common sense ruling the day and everybody just getting rich. That's not reality. But you can earn a good living.
Also, anyone coming off active duty is probably used to dealing with folks who understand simple things like how to brief people, how to supervise or manage a collective action of some sort, and the necessity of someone being ultimately responsible for getting something done. The civilian corporate world is peopled by folks who have never, ever, ever come in contact with anything like troop leading procedures or brief-backs or in-depth discussions of leadership. Things are very loose by comparison to the active duty Army. Some companies embrace management fads that seem to distribute responsibility in as ambiguous and ethereal a manner as possible. However, this varies by company and industry (and I've seen it change slightly inside a company over time).
The most important thing I could have done would have been to have gotten a degree immediately upon leaving the regular Army. Now, you can get one online. I got mine through UMUC. A Soldier could start on that while they're still on active duty, though I think the Army should set up a special program that accommodates the chaotic schedules of some units. A degree in an industry-relevant, in-demand field (read STEM, by the way), is critically important.
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Jenn Moynihan
SGT (Join to see) - ah yes...the management fads of companies. Often exactly that - a passing fad to be soon replaced by another. That and the tag line that goes with the fad. I’ve been through many in different fields. Health care; transportation consulting; retirement/financial planning; to name a few.
Great post and one that I will save.
Great post and one that I will save.
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