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Curious if anyone has witnessed race being the primary reason someone was unjustly detained or arrested. I have witnessed people getting arrested in many situations, but typically it involves the person breaking the law and then doubling down by being disrespectful and in general a jerk.
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1stLt Kevin Paige
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Yes I do. Former St Pete police Officer Joked about harassing and physically intimidating black males and then comparing stories with other officers. This guy is 6'5 and 275 lb. He told me this story about 10 years ago when we first met. My response: "you do know that I am black, right? If you weren't an old man I would take you outside and beat your ass!" Believe it or not today me and the guy are good friends. This guy is 78 years old and the stories took place after he got out of the Marine Corps in the 70s & 80s. He had a change of heart when his mixed race grandson was hit in the side of the head for not getting up fast enough, to address an officer, from trying to change a flat tire on his car in Safety Harbor Fl.
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LTC Andrew Addison
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Actually, yes. My brother was "arrested" by an AA police officer because he was with his black wife and then he was "unarrested" by a white officer since the AA officer was racist against a white guy with a black woman.
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SSG Robert Webster
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Are you talking about the Anne Arundel County Police Department? Haven't they and other police departments in that county been accused of racism for a number of years?
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PO2 Ron Burling
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I was once accused of having stopped a Black guy because he was with a white woman, it turned out we had mutual friends who assured him he was stopped because of his driving. I got him to go on a 'ride along'. That convinced him.
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CWO2 Shelby DuBois
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Only on every TV show and movie where the black guy is the good guy and they paint all cops as racist. The Hollywood crowd is as much to blame as anything.
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CW3 Susan Burkholder
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Seriously? Did you expect some one to raise their hand and say me, me, me, I always arrest people based on race? This would be similar to asking a business owner or an HR person if they hire people based on race and not qualifications. It reminds me of a saying that if you are drinking too much at a party and some one tells you that you should not drink anymore and you get angry, then you probably ARE drinking too much. You seem to be looking for validation that cops are good people. Of course they are but they also need scrutiny/evaluation to keep them honest and ensure best practices. To get upset that the black community is criticizing police is like the alcoholic that gets defensive when told he is drunk.
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SSG Robert Webster
SSG Robert Webster
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SPC Randy Torgerson - True, Life is not fair. But we are talking about outright discrimination based on minor factors that extremely few people will admit to; and therein lays the problem. The companies I was talking about have call centers, where the employee count is around 250 and the respective companies employ more than 1,000 individuals.
But when the base requirement for the job is a language proficiency of 3/3/3 and both individuals have a proficiency of 4/4/4 and they will not be business face to face with a customer, those kind of normally unnoticed items become very telling. Especially when on the surface it appears that the first reduction/selection criteria inadvertently was their NAME. I do not care what you call it, affirmative action, profiling, stereotyping, or discrimination - it is morally wrong; more so when it is institutionalized.

CW3 Susan Burkholder, are you saying that CPT Coutu's question is suspect or my statement is suspect? I thought that you were the one that obliquely brought "affirmative action" into the discussion and I was the one that made direct reference to it. Maybe my ego is showing. But what amazes me is that you made a declaratory statement about me and my knowledge of the subject matter; i.e., " You obviously don't understand what the intent of AA is or why it exists." What do you base this on? Because I am an older white male, that appears to be a WASP; or is it that you are a non-white female, and know more about the subject matter because of that? Or is it because you are in HR and I am not?
And yes, I know what AA is, what it is supposed to do, what it actually does, and how it is twisted by different special interest groups. In a couple of cases, I have been a recipient of AA; first when my eldest son was given an educational grant (low income family) to attend college, and secondly in hiring preferences in a private company because I am classified as a "disabled veteran". So yes, I know what AA is and have taken advantage of it. I have also seen how it can be abused, both knowingly and unknowingly. And my personal opinion - I despise those that knowingly abuse AA, and try to educate those that unknowingly abuse it.
Though most books and text on this very subject are expensive, I would suggest that you purchase or borrow some to hopefully gain a better insight into the subject material. These materials are available at your local college in either the Criminal Justice, Psychology, and or Human Resources subject areas.
And the story I told above is true, both of the gentleman are my sons and also have the same mother.
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CW3 Susan Burkholder
CW3 Susan Burkholder
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I think the question is suspect. I think the poster is trying to generate something. "Points and influence" perhaps? He chose and worded the question with a bias, what cop on this forum or anywhere would say they make arrests based on race? Therefore, most posts will say that this doesn't happen. And, sigh, I used employment discrimination as an analogy. YOU brought in AA to the discussion and incorrectly as well. Pointing out your error is I guess derogatory? Funny, how there is no picture in my profile yet you assume I am "non-white." Is that because only blacks, minorities, and criminals criticize police?
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CW3 Susan Burkholder
CW3 Susan Burkholder
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SPC Randy Torgerson - Sigh, I did not call you an alcoholic. I didn't even know you existed when I posted my comment to the question (not you) and you chose to respond to me. Must have hit a nerve..... I also notice you have posted on just about everyone else's comments though.........
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SPC Randy Torgerson
SPC Randy Torgerson
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CW3 Susan Burkholder - Yep, I post where I feel information is misleading at best. Or sometimes to agree or give my thoughts. Having been a police officer in addition to the military, I take it a little personal when all police officers are attacked. Its not enough to say most are good. 1/10 of 1% are bad. Yet things like Dallas happens.... I call people on their stories sometimes because they are far from the truth. I think some people are to sensitive and some people just want to make a point so they exaggerate their story. We can't solve any problems if people are not honest in the discussion. One gentleman on here said and I quote "75% of all illicit drug use is by white people"....... I was able to demonstrate via government studies that 9.5% is by whites. People here and everywhere just say what they want and its dishonest. So it will never get better until honesty in conversation takes place.
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PO2 Steven Hardy
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I was USCG and one of our missions was law enforcement. I'm fairly certain that none of us targeted anyone due to race. There were a number of racial slurs tossed about when I was in the North Arabian Sea, but that wasn't law enforcement.
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MSgt Ken Flood
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It wasn't an arrest but just a traffic stop. I was attending NCO Leadership school at Barksdale AFB, La. in1973. A group of four of us decided to go for a ride around the area off base. Three of us were white and one black. We all piled into the car, as it turned out the seating was two white in the rear, white driver and the black guy in the front passenger seat. We were pulled over by a Louisiana State Policeman. The only reason for the stop was that the black guy was in the front seat. The police went straight to the passenger side and leaned into the window. I'll never forget his words, "Down here niggers ride in the back, or are the driver serving the good white folk. Now get your black ass out of there and get in the back where you belong." I'm from New Jersey and this was my first encounter with blatant racism. We did as instructed and quickly returned to the Base, everyone was in total shock, except the black guy who said not to worry about it, that's just how it is in the south.
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SFC Larry Jones
SFC Larry Jones
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MSG, I went to Louisiana in the mid 80 80's on recruiting duty, and that attitude was still alive and well there. My children had been growing up in military housing. I wasn't sure how to answer them the day they asked me why all the black people lived on one side of town and all the white people lived on the other. I thought I had been sent back at least 30 years in time.
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FN Damage Controlman
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I think when it comes down to the heat of the moment you have to make split second decisions and have to react. Everyone profiles. It's in every human's nature to judge, compare and make choices. I know the truth because I wasn't there. Who knows what really happened? No one.
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I don't know.
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CPT Tom Monahan
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I live in a university town and know polices officers, deputies and troopers. They arrest folks based on behavior of the suspect. If the person is acting civil they may get a citation while folks who fail to comply with lawful orders will get cuffed and stuffed. Naturally this is based on the nature of the
Violation or crime.
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CPT Executive Officer
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Sounds like a lot of diverse experiences. I am sure it's an extremely challenging job and after dealing with criminals for a few years, you have to stay on your "A" game. Can't imagine having a new baby, life stress, seeing a fatality and then having people push cell phones or threaten me as I arrest a serious felon.
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PO1 Master-at-Arms
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The only time I ever saw someone arrested for "race" when I was on the street as a cop was when they tried to race (more commonly known as outrun or evade) the police. As far as race in the skin color context I am sure it has happened but I never witnessed it and would not have stood for it had I seen an officer acting in that unethical manner. The officers I had the honor of working with were some of the finest people I have ever known and I am proud to call them my brothers and sisters.
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