Posted on Jul 27, 2015
Did you Know Under Obama, Our Military’s Strength Has Significantly Decreased?
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Under Obama, Our Military’s Strength Has Significantly Decreased
Most neglected of all U.S. national security elements are our strategic forces.
The Army's manpower is down 10 percent since President Obama took office. Our naval capabilities are aging and inadequate to meet our national security demands. The Air Force fields the smallest and oldest force of combat aircraft in its history. The Marines are running only about two-thirds the number of battalions they have historically needed to meet day-to-day operational demands.
Will the next POTUS be able to recover from this?
http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/26/weapon_system_revive/
Most neglected of all U.S. national security elements are our strategic forces.
The Army's manpower is down 10 percent since President Obama took office. Our naval capabilities are aging and inadequate to meet our national security demands. The Air Force fields the smallest and oldest force of combat aircraft in its history. The Marines are running only about two-thirds the number of battalions they have historically needed to meet day-to-day operational demands.
Will the next POTUS be able to recover from this?
http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/26/weapon_system_revive/
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Responses: 24
Sir, I believe that the catching title maybe a little bit misleading. Although our Military strength has decreased and it is on a steady down slope, and as much as I will like to put the blame on the Commander-In-Chief I believe that decrease is two fold.
1. The fact that we are not heavily involved in the war has play into the decrease of the strength, and
2. the present economy and the shrinking of the defense budget also plays a role in the decrease of the Military strength. This can be look at as a demand supply chain type of equation. The conventional wars have ended therefore, the strength of the Military decreases as well. Also, as the conventional forces/ strength is decreasing the need for SOFT ready Soldiers and Officers is increasing if this was an investment strategy, one would say follow the money. Meaning for those that are looking to stay in the Military maybe it is time for them to start looking into becoming SOFT Soldiers because the need is there and it is real.
1. The fact that we are not heavily involved in the war has play into the decrease of the strength, and
2. the present economy and the shrinking of the defense budget also plays a role in the decrease of the Military strength. This can be look at as a demand supply chain type of equation. The conventional wars have ended therefore, the strength of the Military decreases as well. Also, as the conventional forces/ strength is decreasing the need for SOFT ready Soldiers and Officers is increasing if this was an investment strategy, one would say follow the money. Meaning for those that are looking to stay in the Military maybe it is time for them to start looking into becoming SOFT Soldiers because the need is there and it is real.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
CPT (Join to see) Good observations, but unfortunately that is the way the article was published. I believe it was to grab people's attention like most editorial authors try to do. You bring up some very good points, but of you got into a conflict with the millions of Chinese in their Army today would Point No. 2 still be an option? What are your thoughts?
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CPT (Join to see)
Sir,
I believe that if we had to engage the Chinese military in a conventional war, the demand for recruits will rise and this will make option 2 a viable option unfortunately, the government will have to increase the incentives to attract the citizens into the service. For what is worth I believe we will kick Chinese Military
I believe that if we had to engage the Chinese military in a conventional war, the demand for recruits will rise and this will make option 2 a viable option unfortunately, the government will have to increase the incentives to attract the citizens into the service. For what is worth I believe we will kick Chinese Military
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SGT Jeremiah B.
Sgt Kelli Mays - I agree, but that is firmly a problem with the 2005 BRAC. We made some decisions during the early GWOT days on the assumption that the old guard was gone and we could focus more in asymmetrical threats. Oh how wrong we were...
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Historically COL Mikel J. Burroughs, in nations that are not totalitarian, military strength in terms of trained service members, equipment, materiel and sustainment ramps up for wars and ramps down after wars are "finished."
Our nations strength is not limited to trained manpower. For a legitimate assessment the trend should not be focused on active military manpower. Aging equipment can be useful however we are still using B-52 from time to time and there are many other examples of older equipment that was well designed and is useful in many scenarios.
One of the impacts of sequestration and other funding constraints has been a periodic internal assessment to determine core capabilities that need to be manned and equipped and to determine which capabilities should be manned and equipped through contract.
The decision to change the overall capability requirement from fighting to major wars within a certain time-frame to one war was made by the national command authority with input from the Service chiefs. This top level strategy drives manpower, equipping and sustainment targets. Acceptable risk is also factored into the equations.
A more useful set of metrics would look at Army BCTs and numbers fully manned and equipped primary weapon systems, Navy groups and numbers of fully manned and equipped primary weapons systems, USAF wings and numbers of fully manned and equipped primary weapons, and USMC fully manned and equipped primary weapons systems. Active military and Reserve component military strength needs to be included as well as government civilian and contractor personnel.
Our nations strength is not limited to trained manpower. For a legitimate assessment the trend should not be focused on active military manpower. Aging equipment can be useful however we are still using B-52 from time to time and there are many other examples of older equipment that was well designed and is useful in many scenarios.
One of the impacts of sequestration and other funding constraints has been a periodic internal assessment to determine core capabilities that need to be manned and equipped and to determine which capabilities should be manned and equipped through contract.
The decision to change the overall capability requirement from fighting to major wars within a certain time-frame to one war was made by the national command authority with input from the Service chiefs. This top level strategy drives manpower, equipping and sustainment targets. Acceptable risk is also factored into the equations.
A more useful set of metrics would look at Army BCTs and numbers fully manned and equipped primary weapon systems, Navy groups and numbers of fully manned and equipped primary weapons systems, USAF wings and numbers of fully manned and equipped primary weapons, and USMC fully manned and equipped primary weapons systems. Active military and Reserve component military strength needs to be included as well as government civilian and contractor personnel.
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LTC Stephen F.
Well I would not say that baby boomers really stress the system unless you are advocating euthanasia for those of who are baby boomers SPC David S.:-)
I think you meant that as the baby boomers age combined with increased age longevity and less children being born that social security (SS) and medicare will be stressed significantly. That I generally agree with. I have been hoping that SS will be modified so that contributors will be able to choose their investments, own the accounts, and be able to leave the funds in their wills to whomever they choose. Right now when somebody receiving SS dies, the spouse is forced to return part of the last SS payment to the deceased - specific amount determined based on time between payment and death measured in days.
I think you meant that as the baby boomers age combined with increased age longevity and less children being born that social security (SS) and medicare will be stressed significantly. That I generally agree with. I have been hoping that SS will be modified so that contributors will be able to choose their investments, own the accounts, and be able to leave the funds in their wills to whomever they choose. Right now when somebody receiving SS dies, the spouse is forced to return part of the last SS payment to the deceased - specific amount determined based on time between payment and death measured in days.
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SPC David S.
No sir, no Soylent Green here - I wouldn't think of dumping all that mental capital - and yes you are correct on what I was eluding to - however allowing people to control their own investment my be tricky. However it does sounds like a good business model in teaching the young bloods how to invest.
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It seems that military forces per se have not significantly increased under a Democratic President since Vietnam and Lyndon Johnson. In fact, under Carter, Clinton, and Obama we experienced declines; the biggest cut were mainly under Clinton via base closures, the loss of many brigades, and the "Peace Dividend" we heard so much about but never seemed to find. To be fair the military industrial complex increased via contractors in all administrations, but so has the number of political appointees. Under Republicans military forces increased but also declined after peaking during events such as during the original Iraq/Kuwait deployment; at that same time there was also the implementation of the Conventional Forces Treaty (CFW) when many units such as Pershing, were inactivated in Europe, beginning with 1st ID (fwd).
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
Elections have consequences, we will recover or not this next election will help determine the strength.
Just as Reagan recovered from Carter or Bush from Clinton.
We must decide if we are fighting a war or not...
1/2 of us think we are, 1/2 of us think we are not.
Note that Defense spending is now the fifth largest item, if we removed Vet spending it would be the sixth largest item.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/
Elections have consequences, we will recover or not this next election will help determine the strength.
Just as Reagan recovered from Carter or Bush from Clinton.
We must decide if we are fighting a war or not...
1/2 of us think we are, 1/2 of us think we are not.
Note that Defense spending is now the fifth largest item, if we removed Vet spending it would be the sixth largest item.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/
Government Spending in United States: Federal State Local for 2015 - Charts Tables History
Numbers, pie charts, trends for US Government Spending in 2015: Pensions, Healthcare, Education, Defense, Welfare. Data from OMB, Census Bureau.
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CW3 (Join to see)
Well said LTC John Shaw, the left and right are surely duking it out like never before. It surprises me how so many people are unaware of the sacrifices still being made by American's overseas.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs I can understand the need for some of the efforts to reduce the size of the force and spending, but I think this needs to be done with the notion of not sacrificing readiness or capabilities.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
Our Military Strength, Our Paychecks and our standing in the world. Now he wants to destroy the coal industry to save .1% Thats POINT 1 percent in gasses. The only thing he doesnt shrink is our taxes. He actually over-took Carter as the worst president in modern times
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I'd like to ask the crowd, is having a large standing military the answer to the worlds problems? How would having this juggernaut sitting and waiting help our current budget constraints in this country? As bas ackwards as procurement is, mismanaged as some of the forces are, to include bloated staffs, are we not right in downsizing (within reason), like we've done in EVERY war after it was over with? Are we becoming more of the problem with views that the military is no 1 above everything else? Besides that thought process is what communist countries think. Our military strength has decreased, but only in manpower, not tactics, or the ability to teach those tactics to another in a time of need. We do have the Nat Guard, Reserves, and IRR to back us up initially. I see no need to have a giant force, when it's long since time for America to start taking care of itself, and allowing others in various alliances to start leading the way to solving their geographic problems. Technology in the military is improving daily, and that is also offsetting the need for additional troops. And lastly having a large military is not going to solve the future of war....Cyberwar. An aircraft carrier group cannot project power to an IPv6 address. the 82nd, 101st, and the Rangers, can't storm and hold a botnet. And no SEAL or SF group can take over a server farm that "isn't there". We need to reallocate what we have in regards to persistent threats vs. temporary headaches vs. long term goals. We might actually be hitting the nail on the head in downsizing...maybe.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
SSG Warren Swan I definitely agree with you on the size issue and number of personnel. The article actually dealt with both that and the equipment. Where I was heading with my post was the aging equipment and modernization of our service branches. I think we need to keep our aircraft, naval vessels, and mobile equipment up-to-date and modernized during the drawdown periods and continue to take care of our serving members, retired members, and veteran members benefits. I agree with your thoughts on our ability to increase manpower and do more with less.
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Yep. aware...or at least feel we are not as strong as we were 7 years ago..... Makes me quite nervous knowing this. we may have the technology and know how....but with the administration suppressing military decisions...I believe it's weakened our status...and I feel we should have kept open some of the bases over seas that were closed. I do not feel that the rest of the world believe we are as strong and united as we once were. ...getting off topic a little from the article...but I believe this potus has separated us...we have a huge wedge ....we are greatly divided...we need a new leader who will unite us again.
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I have tried to keep up the the numbers in all branches and it would seem that yes they are all suffering in the numbers they have. I don't think cutting the numbers is such a good thing for all just a way of him trying to make cuts but in the wrong way.
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Budget wise, if we cut $150 Billion, we'd still be at higher levels than during Reagan's era.
All Presidents have made cuts.
Eisenhower cut our defense budget by 27% after the Korean War, Obama is not even going that far.
All Presidents have made cuts.
Eisenhower cut our defense budget by 27% after the Korean War, Obama is not even going that far.
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