Posted on Sep 8, 2015
"Colonel: Soldiers Should Not 'Impose' On All Afghan Customs, Including Child Rape"
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From: Breitbart
United States soldiers should tolerate all Afghan customs, even if they go against American moral values, suggested Col. Steve Johnson, referring to a decorated Green Beret who has been reprimanded by the U.S. Army for “striking” a child rapist in Afghanistan back in September 2011.
“You cannot try to impose American values and American norms onto the Afghan culture because they’re completely different… We can report and we can encourage them,” Col. Johnson told The News Tribune. “We do not have any power or the ability to use our hands to compel them to be what we see as morally better.”
The practice of influential men using underage boys as their sexual patterns, known as “Bacha Bazi,” is an illegal but common custom in Afghanistan.
Sgt. First Class (SFC) Charles Martland, the Green Beret, is expected to be kicked out of the Army by November 1.
Johnson’s comments drew the ire of Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) who, along with severRep. Al Green (D-TX) Beret veterans, argues that the Army should not discharge Martland for standing up to the alleged rapist, identified as Afghan local police (ALP) commander Abdul Rahman.
The incident took place in Afghanistan’s Kunduz province.
Hunter, a veteran of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, declared that the Army’s decision to dismiss Sgt. Martland shows the “moral decay” currently afflicting military leadership. Rep. Hunter told Breitbart News:
Martland’s experience shows the type of moral decay among certain aspects of military leadership—starting at the top. In fact, had he not intervened in my opinion, that should have been grounds for removal. At what point will Army leadership stand up for Martland for doing the right thing? Instead, they continue to hide behind a process that seems to makes most sense, in the case specifically, to an Afghan rapist who was happy to see Martland pulled from duty.
Rep. Hunter, who serves on the House Armed Services Committee, has written three letters to Defense Secretary Ashton Carter asking him to intervene in the Army’s case against the Green Beret, for the purpose of granting him his wish to continue serving in the U.S. Army.
Sgt. Martland admitted “striking” the alleged rapist accused of kidnapping, chaining, and raping a 12-year-old boy and then beating his mother for pleading for help. The local police commander reportedly laughed about committing the crimes.
Rep. Duncan Hunter disagrees with Col. Johnson’s comments about U.S. soldiers having to tolerate all Afghan customs even if they go against American moral values.
“It is, in fact, a fundamental duty for our military to project American power, strength, and values,”wrote the congressman in the most recent letter addressed to Sec. Carter, dated September 1. “The ALP commander’s action was a human rights violations—and SFC Martland was right to step in and attempt to protect the child from further harm.”
Duncan also noted that Col. Johnson, in talking to The News Tribune, claimed the alleged rapist was “an inch from his death” after he was assaulted by Sgt. Martland and Quinn.
A cultural adviser and linguist who witnessed the incident contradicted those allegations, telling the office of Rep. Hunter, on condition of anonymity, that the rapist exaggerated the nature of his wounds, adding that the provincial police chief “strongly condemned” the alleged rapist and suggested that “he should be dismissed, arrested and put away.”
The police chief commended Sgt. Martland for confronting the Afghan police commander who allegedly laughed when approached by Martland.
Prior to the September 2011 incident, Col. Steve Johnson commanded Sgt. Charles Martland when he was the commander in the Army’s 1st Special Forces Group.
Johnson was in Afghanistan when Martland and Capt. Daniel Quinn, his Green Beret team leader, approached Rahman for allegedly kidnapping, chaining, and raping a 12-year-old boy and then beating his mother for reaching out to the Green Berets for help.
The Army reprimanded Martland and Quinn, relieving them from their duties in Afghanistan’s Kunduz province where the incident took place back in 2011.
Quinn has since taken a private sector job in New York. Sgt. Martland is fighting to stay in the military.
Sgt. Martland is now facing involuntary discharge from the Army.
A spokesperson for the U.S. Army and the public affairs office for the U.S. Army Special Operations Command, citing the Privacy Act, told Breitbart News that the Army was unable to confirm whether or not the September 2011 incident is linked to its decision to remove Martland.
When Breitbart News asked for a comment on accusations that the Army had chosen to side with the rapist instead of Sgt. Martland, the U.S. Army Special Operations Command, said, “The Privacy Act prevents us from releasing any additional information about the administrative action taken regarding this topic.”
When the 2011 incident occurred, Sgt. Martland was serving with an elite Joint Base Lewis-McChord unit.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/09/02/colonel-u-s-soldiers-should-not-impose-on-all-afghan-customs-including-child-rape/
United States soldiers should tolerate all Afghan customs, even if they go against American moral values, suggested Col. Steve Johnson, referring to a decorated Green Beret who has been reprimanded by the U.S. Army for “striking” a child rapist in Afghanistan back in September 2011.
“You cannot try to impose American values and American norms onto the Afghan culture because they’re completely different… We can report and we can encourage them,” Col. Johnson told The News Tribune. “We do not have any power or the ability to use our hands to compel them to be what we see as morally better.”
The practice of influential men using underage boys as their sexual patterns, known as “Bacha Bazi,” is an illegal but common custom in Afghanistan.
Sgt. First Class (SFC) Charles Martland, the Green Beret, is expected to be kicked out of the Army by November 1.
Johnson’s comments drew the ire of Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) who, along with severRep. Al Green (D-TX) Beret veterans, argues that the Army should not discharge Martland for standing up to the alleged rapist, identified as Afghan local police (ALP) commander Abdul Rahman.
The incident took place in Afghanistan’s Kunduz province.
Hunter, a veteran of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, declared that the Army’s decision to dismiss Sgt. Martland shows the “moral decay” currently afflicting military leadership. Rep. Hunter told Breitbart News:
Martland’s experience shows the type of moral decay among certain aspects of military leadership—starting at the top. In fact, had he not intervened in my opinion, that should have been grounds for removal. At what point will Army leadership stand up for Martland for doing the right thing? Instead, they continue to hide behind a process that seems to makes most sense, in the case specifically, to an Afghan rapist who was happy to see Martland pulled from duty.
Rep. Hunter, who serves on the House Armed Services Committee, has written three letters to Defense Secretary Ashton Carter asking him to intervene in the Army’s case against the Green Beret, for the purpose of granting him his wish to continue serving in the U.S. Army.
Sgt. Martland admitted “striking” the alleged rapist accused of kidnapping, chaining, and raping a 12-year-old boy and then beating his mother for pleading for help. The local police commander reportedly laughed about committing the crimes.
Rep. Duncan Hunter disagrees with Col. Johnson’s comments about U.S. soldiers having to tolerate all Afghan customs even if they go against American moral values.
“It is, in fact, a fundamental duty for our military to project American power, strength, and values,”wrote the congressman in the most recent letter addressed to Sec. Carter, dated September 1. “The ALP commander’s action was a human rights violations—and SFC Martland was right to step in and attempt to protect the child from further harm.”
Duncan also noted that Col. Johnson, in talking to The News Tribune, claimed the alleged rapist was “an inch from his death” after he was assaulted by Sgt. Martland and Quinn.
A cultural adviser and linguist who witnessed the incident contradicted those allegations, telling the office of Rep. Hunter, on condition of anonymity, that the rapist exaggerated the nature of his wounds, adding that the provincial police chief “strongly condemned” the alleged rapist and suggested that “he should be dismissed, arrested and put away.”
The police chief commended Sgt. Martland for confronting the Afghan police commander who allegedly laughed when approached by Martland.
Prior to the September 2011 incident, Col. Steve Johnson commanded Sgt. Charles Martland when he was the commander in the Army’s 1st Special Forces Group.
Johnson was in Afghanistan when Martland and Capt. Daniel Quinn, his Green Beret team leader, approached Rahman for allegedly kidnapping, chaining, and raping a 12-year-old boy and then beating his mother for reaching out to the Green Berets for help.
The Army reprimanded Martland and Quinn, relieving them from their duties in Afghanistan’s Kunduz province where the incident took place back in 2011.
Quinn has since taken a private sector job in New York. Sgt. Martland is fighting to stay in the military.
Sgt. Martland is now facing involuntary discharge from the Army.
A spokesperson for the U.S. Army and the public affairs office for the U.S. Army Special Operations Command, citing the Privacy Act, told Breitbart News that the Army was unable to confirm whether or not the September 2011 incident is linked to its decision to remove Martland.
When Breitbart News asked for a comment on accusations that the Army had chosen to side with the rapist instead of Sgt. Martland, the U.S. Army Special Operations Command, said, “The Privacy Act prevents us from releasing any additional information about the administrative action taken regarding this topic.”
When the 2011 incident occurred, Sgt. Martland was serving with an elite Joint Base Lewis-McChord unit.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/09/02/colonel-u-s-soldiers-should-not-impose-on-all-afghan-customs-including-child-rape/
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I have to say that Sgt. Martland was correct in his actions. This is not about American morality its about decent human nature. No child should ever be subject to that type of behavior and as a service member that has sworn to protect the innocent. It is a sad day when we are going to discharge a service member for doing his job.
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SPC Tim Richardson
So the military is gonna release a green beret for protecting a kid that was being attacked by a monster and a SGM only got demoted to an E4 for the assault he done on a kid.. Shits not matching up now guys......
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CPT Daniel Cox
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Lt Col (Join to see)
The part that has me puzzled is where the article says the practice is illegal in Afghanistan. So...this guy is getting discharged for stopping an Afghani from committing a crime under US AND Afghan law?
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what happens to those who rap and murder children in America? We put them in prison.. should it be one of my kids that it happens to, they wouldn't live to see the courtroom
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MAJ (Join to see)
It's not their society, it's their corrupt ruling class. Most of the Afghanistan abhor the behavior but are powerless to stop it.
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Bullcrap. Pandering to a child rapist is not what America stands for. And stopping or striking a child rapist is not just an American value/ethic, it is a human ethic. Raping children is a global wrong, across all major religions, and across the centuries. There are known Truths, and this is one of them. Even the rapist knew it was wrong. He laughed because he believed he'd get away with it.
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Man it is nice to have that retired ID card and be able to say what I truly think and assure I am not calling out military leadership on poor decision making and values. That Colonel and the entire chain of command above him that fails (or failed) to take action to stop this injustice should be ejected from the Army IF this is indeed the event that is the reason and not just part of the story as can sometimes be the case. You might recall a fiasco at Penn State a couple years ago where the university leadership failed to take action in the case of child abuse and they were not only removed, but charged for their inaction, and that went all the way to the President. This is a clear example of one of the major reasons I opted for retirement, the moral decay of the leadership in all branches of service. When I entered the service, people were held accountable for leading and getting the job done but those last few years, all I saw was a bunch of officers hiding behind rules, regulations, policies and processes in such a way that their ass was covered and their career preserved, doing the right thing be damned. The service culture of the Air Force has become shameful in this regard and it appears the Army is in the same boat. Maybe a place to start would be to quit promoting folks based on who signs their report or the seat in which they happen to sit. This is a form of organizational inbreeding that restricts the ability for new ideas and perspectives from entering the gene pool and leads to such a singular point of view across the entire chain of command. I'm Lt Col Mike Hills (Retired) and I approved this rant.
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Lt Col Michael Hills
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/28/charles-martland-discharge-reversed-army-rape-prot/
I am pleased to see that the discharge was reversed though I'd have preferred that somebody grow a pair and say the words that it is bullshit for him to have been reprimanded in the first place rather than hiding behind the curtain of a change of military records solution, making it appear as if he got off on an administrative technicality cause he found a sleazy lawyer. What he had was a sleazy chain of command who failed him...period.
I am pleased to see that the discharge was reversed though I'd have preferred that somebody grow a pair and say the words that it is bullshit for him to have been reprimanded in the first place rather than hiding behind the curtain of a change of military records solution, making it appear as if he got off on an administrative technicality cause he found a sleazy lawyer. What he had was a sleazy chain of command who failed him...period.
Charles Martland discharge reversed by Army in rape-protection case
The Army on Thursday reversed a decision to discharge a decorated Green Beret for roughing up an Afghanistan police chief accused of raping a boy.
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LCpl Steve Smith
U.S. Special Force was discharged for protecting a raped boy in Afghanistan
U.S. Special Force Sgt. Charles Martland was discharged from military for protecting a raped boy in Afghanistan (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia...
I hate it when politics pushes it's Foreign Relations Policies on the military the (Don't Get involved in ally's cultural differences) "you'll create an international incident with an ally" it's easy for the shit birds on the hill to to order the Brass to order their people to turn a blind eye, they don't feel the conflict of conscious and Moral conflict up there. We are America's Military and We have always stood up for those that couldn't stand up for themselves it's how we were raised and how we were trained. They expect us to go against who we are and give us the Big Green Weenie with no reach around when we don't. I'm Glad they reversed his discharge, BUT we all know it was only because we had a SF Veteran Delegate from the Virginia House of Delegates stand up and bring it to light and not let our government sweep it under the rug https://youtu.be/M4yud4l3Pxc
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LCpl Steve Smith
In the end just like it was in the beginning all we will ever have is each other to fight for and protect us.
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It is a sad for our Army and our nation when a Soldier gets punished for upholding human rights and dignity. According to LTC Johnson's logic, if an Afghan is torturing another because that is what they do, then we should not intervene. We are going to lose a highly trained SF warrior because of this. It makes no sense.
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Ok, so if I read this correctly, a US Soldier stood up against something that is illegal, but culturally acceptable, under the law of the country he was stationed in? Why? What is wrong with people. He did nothing wrong. This is taking morality, and humanity out of the equation. From a moral perspective, the "alleged" rapist is lucky he didn't get beaten severely for his actions. Faith in humanity: destroyed.
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I would find it quite difficult to follow those orders. Especially when it comes to children.
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If you don't like what your "allies" are doing, perhaps they should not be your "allies".
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So now some dipshit colonel and the army high command protects rapists and pedophiles, not to mention pedophiles who beat up their own mother for doing what is right and what is illegal under Afghan law? Great job. I wonder what Col. Steve Johnson would say if his kids got raped. Col. Stiff Johnson deserves beating for saying such stupid shit, especially after the Army lost two great soldiers basically for doing what they are hired to do.
My problem with the statement is that those are not "American" moral values. The values have nothing to do with our country. I don't know of any country or religion in which raping little boys is "right."
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Cpl Craig Meaux
Then you don't know about Islam . Because Mohommad married and had sex with a 9 year old these Afgan mongrels find that raping little boys is acceptable because their god Allah thinks it is alright. If you learn more about Afghanistan it gets worse.
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LCDR (Join to see)
I will say that my time in Afghanistan convinced me of two things regarding Islam: First, that it is not a religion of personal conviction. Second, the lack of a personal commitment to a moral code means that the individual is essentially "free" to act on their worst instincts...so long as "they aren't seen" from above. I'm certain some Muslims will correct my thinking on this, and perhaps for them, that is so...but I was not impressed with what I saw at large.
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