Posted on Jul 23, 2014
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SFC Jeff L.
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Q. What do you get when you have a room full of officers looking at a map, and each agrees on the way to go?

A. The same thing you get with AGW supporters - movement by consensus, and not necessarily in the right direction.
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MAJ Deputy Director, Combat Casualty Care Research Program
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SFC Jeff L. Smallpox, polio, measles, mumps, rubella - hear about these much anymore? Yea, clearly science has no clue what it's doing.
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Sgt S.P. Woodke
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what kind of nonsensical gibberish correlation is that MAJ...? One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
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SFC Jeff L.
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Maj Ian Dews, I'm not sure I follow what you just said. The point I was alluding to is that a simple consensus of selected scientists does not prove a theory any more than a roomful of officers agreeing on their map-reading skills results in the group going in the right direction. Of course the point about the officers is a bit of enlisted humor, but I'm sure you get the idea. Perhaps you'd be so kind as to explain your comment.
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Sgt Packy Flickinger
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Some of the glaciers in the North Pole are increasing, many in Greenland, Canada and Antarctica are already almost gone. Ocean has already begun rising. I saw a show recently of one small town already evacuated because its been flooded. There is a world wide drought. There is record temperatures set every year high and low. It was predicted early on that record temperature swings would be seen. The massive snow storm in the north this year was an example. Global warming slows the air and ocean currents equalizing global temps leading to the extremes.

There is plenty of proof of global warming. Its not been proved what has exactly caused it though. Some studys show cows are actually a major cause. Their flatulence is 100x more a green house gas than the average car. There are as many cows on the planet as people.

As a conservative, this is the ONLY point I agree with the liberals on.
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SFC Mark Hines
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And if these fanatics couldn't stoop any lower, well, there's this. The deliberate twisting of the truth is mind boggling.
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MSG(P) Michael Warrick
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Weather men can be wrong and still have a job !!
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<---- 35 year Meteorologist. I know what I am doing
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PO1 Todd Keister
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Global warming is the most thoroughly debunked hoax in history. That's why its proponents changed it to "Climate Change." It's proponents have been exposed through their emails that they deliberately concocted the entire notion. See East Anglia University: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate/

Read a quick primer here, written by yours truly a while back:
http://www.examiner.com/article/global-cooling-leaves-the-un-with-snow-on-its-face
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COL Randall C.
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MAJ (Join to see), "The ONLY people who make this into a political issue or question the science are those who benefit from denial".

I question the science that AGW is completely true (the world is warming AND humans are the overwhelming contributing factor to that AND there will be an ecological disaster if significant measures aren't taken).

How am I benefiting from 'denial' (I would say 'not agreeing completely', but I think that's the nicest term that anyone who doesn't agree completely with AGW is called)?
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MAJ Deputy Director, Combat Casualty Care Research Program
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COL Randall C. Sir, I was talking about those who are either publishing or promoting anti-AGW "science". You can generally trace the articles back to a lobbying group or think-tank funded by political interests. There are VERY few actual peer-reviewed scientific articles that counter man-made global warming.
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Political and financial agendas aside, I do think there is a general misconception about climate change. In my opinion, "global warming" has happened. It effectively melted the ice caps which sent cold ice chunks south, cooling the oceans. This will actually cause "global cooling," not warming.
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SPC Randy Torgerson
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Major Ian Dews, I must say I take a little issue with your comments that if someone dosn't agree with your sited theory about "man-made" global warming that there must be a political motive. While many articles published may have ties to a political benefit, that works both ways not just the the other side. Very early in this discussion I sited research material that to my knowledge had no political ties. Furthermore, are you suggesting that there is no profit tied to the "man-made" theory?
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Sgt John H.
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If humans are the cause of climate change and the population continues to explode, why do we concentrate on eliminating the use of affordable and reasonably efficient fossil fuels and not population management and control. We should be supporting the productive systems that are currently available while we continue researching and moving towards obtainable and productive energy sources. The ever expanding population continues to demand higher standards of living, food, shelter. I see no panacea on the horizon that can fuel the technologies needed to provide for homo sapiens' basic needs. Punishing the U.S. economy by means of taxing and regulating our fossil fuel industries is entirely counter productive. This impedes our ability to be the solution. What good do we do by reducing ourselves to third world status while the other world powers prosper and grow...and abuse. I hear a lot of static but I see very few solutions. It seems we are always where we are, more concerned about winning the argument than solving the fundamental problems.
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SFC Dennis Yancy
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If you look at historical records you will find same predict tions made in early 1800s.
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PO2 Victor Taylor
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there was a new report that came out, that scientists had falsified the data going back 70 years to support the global warming theory and it was to get funding from governments to study climates. I will see if i can find that article.
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The issue with Global Warming is that so few people actually understand what global warming is, and to call it "climate change" further drives people what it actually is. Global warming is referring to the average temperature of the Earth in the whole of the Earth's atmosphere raising. This has a lot to do with total energy output.
Too many people see Global warming as something that will affect them very simply as "it's hotter outside" and this is where politicians created the buzzphrase "climate change" (because they were questioned whether they even knew what Global Warming meant)
Global Warming is the raising of the mean atmospheric temperature of the earth as a whole. A change of 2 or 3 degrees would be a big deal, because it can change the manner in which our planet interacts with THE SUN. I am NOT saying that we will all be burnt to a crisp, I am saying that oxygen levels will change, our usual exposure to UV radiation will change. the manner in which our atmosphere behaves will change. That is global warming.
To say that we as inhabitants of this planet are in no way responsible for this is rather illogical. Though I understand that no raindrop believes itself responsible for a flood. Astronomers HAVE discovered evidence that these same atmospheric changes have occurred on other planets within a studyable range with no life on them, but I cannot be led to think that our presence on this earth has not affected, quite possibly accelerated, its life cycle.
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MAJ Deputy Director, Combat Casualty Care Research Program
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MAJ Carl Ballinger Temperature increases did NOT stop. Not sure why the deniers continuously use this talking point. There was a slowing (that was explained by ocean absorption) but we've still been continuously hitting record highs for temps globally.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/
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CPO Greg Frazho
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Complete rubbish. I do believe in LNT (leave no trace), I'll give them that. I'm an off-roader, so I can and do take very seriously the 'use it, don't abuse it' philosophy when it comes to the High Desert, which is primarily where I roam.

That aside, though, the hysteric and sensationalist propaganda that's disseminated about this alleged coming catastrophe is just that: propaganda. It serves only the purpose of keeping those who spew that nonsense a job and I suppose, by extension, a sense of purpose.

As George Carlin once said, this planet has had the magnetic reversal of the poles, the Ice Age, volcanic activity and plate tectonics, and we now think we're somehow a threat to the planet? I think not. Earth's doing just fine; it ain't going anywhere. WE are!

Any ecosystem, including ours, runs in cycles. There are cooler years and warmer years. But if we're only talking a matter of a few degrees on either side of the base line, which is what it is, it's not really a reason to sound the general alarm and start panic.
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MAJ Deputy Director, Combat Casualty Care Research Program
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CPO Greg Frazho Go ask the dinosaurs about changes in climate... oh wait, you can't because they're all gone.
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Chief or CPO Greg Frazho, are you telling me that terratransforming doesn't cause any impact to the environment? Or various species of animals have become extinct? Are you telling me that pollution from human kind doesn't cause our own birth defects, chronic medical conditions, cancer, heavy metal poisoning, and so on? If you don't believe that we can do anything to make a dent to the environment, why don't you drink some water mixed with used motor oil? or antifreeze? or industrial fertilizer? or insecticide? or combination of all of them? Please let me know how we don't do any harm to the environment AND to ourselves after you drink the concoction.
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SFC Jeff L.
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Guy, you have got to relax. You are in danger of blowing out a vein here.

And the dinosaurs lived in what kind of environment? Oh, that's right, hot and tropical, and not caused by human activity. And their climate changed to one of what? Yes, an ice age. Oops! That just might be an inconvenient truth.
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