Posted on Nov 30, 2021
Can the military take your annual leave away (Christmas block leave) if you refuse to jump?
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A bit of context . When I say refuse to jump , I mean I don't get on the plane at all. Refuse on ground before manafest . I have a back injury and they are trying to force me to jump.
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Posted 3 y ago
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Let's see if I can break this down to its simplest form:
Leave: Commanders are the only one that can approve/deny Leave.
Jump: You are on jump status. You need to jump to remain proficient and be fully mission capable.
Medical: If you have a profile that says no jumping, then you don't jump. If you don't have a profile, then you jump.
So, yes, your Commander can deny your Leave for refusing to get manifested/loaded for jump because you are not mission capable. Of course, I am only guessing this would be the reason why your Leave could be denied. I'm not your Commander so I have no idea what they're thinking.
If you are truly injured with a back injury that you do not want to make worse (and let's be honest, Airborne will eventually screw up your back, your knees, your ankles, your height), then you need to seek out a higher level of medical evaluation. If your PA is not wanting to give you a no jump profile until you are better, then go to your BN Surgeon. Or BDE....or where ever the Surgeon sits. Hell, if there is an orthopedic doctor at your base, see them.
Leave: Commanders are the only one that can approve/deny Leave.
Jump: You are on jump status. You need to jump to remain proficient and be fully mission capable.
Medical: If you have a profile that says no jumping, then you don't jump. If you don't have a profile, then you jump.
So, yes, your Commander can deny your Leave for refusing to get manifested/loaded for jump because you are not mission capable. Of course, I am only guessing this would be the reason why your Leave could be denied. I'm not your Commander so I have no idea what they're thinking.
If you are truly injured with a back injury that you do not want to make worse (and let's be honest, Airborne will eventually screw up your back, your knees, your ankles, your height), then you need to seek out a higher level of medical evaluation. If your PA is not wanting to give you a no jump profile until you are better, then go to your BN Surgeon. Or BDE....or where ever the Surgeon sits. Hell, if there is an orthopedic doctor at your base, see them.
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CW5 Roger Jacobs
I suspect there is more to this situation than volunteered by SPC Nick S. The SFC has made good, valid points. If you have serious back injury, seek more medical advice. Ft Bragg has excellent orthopedic facilities. If you are truly worried about causing more serious damage to your back, you can always terminate jump status and be re-assigned to a non-airborne unit.
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SFC Jerry McLellen
I spent 15 1/2 years at Fort Bragg. 11 1/2 of that in the 82d Abn Div. The Spc is not telling the whole story. If he doesn't want to jump anymore, then terminate. Do try to tell everyone that you are being maltreated.
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Jump refusals are grounds for UCMJ action. You are on Jump status and therefore are required to jump at all unit jumps UNLESS actively on profile. You are likely being processed under article 92 (dereliction of duty) and the commander is the approval and rejector of all leave actions, so yes, they can do that.
A PA isn’t just going to refuse to put you on profile for a back injury if you have one. I’ve been on profile for 2 years for a back injury with 2 surgeries.
Long story short, at unit jumps, you are required to jump for proficiency
A PA isn’t just going to refuse to put you on profile for a back injury if you have one. I’ve been on profile for 2 years for a back injury with 2 surgeries.
Long story short, at unit jumps, you are required to jump for proficiency
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The commander can deny leave for any reason. Now - since leave is an entitlement and not a privilege they definitely should have a good reason for not letting soldiers take leave especially when they get up to use or lose.
Who said your leave was going to be denied? The commander (whoever is the approving authority so company, battalion or brigade depending on who is approval authority) is the only one who can deny or approve leave. Your supervisor can disapprove. That doesn't mean the commander will. If your commander is denying it, take it higher.
If you are on a profile that says no jumping, then you shouldn't be. BUT that depends on if you have an actual profile. If you don't have a profile that says you can't jump, then they can make you jump.
Who said your leave was going to be denied? The commander (whoever is the approving authority so company, battalion or brigade depending on who is approval authority) is the only one who can deny or approve leave. Your supervisor can disapprove. That doesn't mean the commander will. If your commander is denying it, take it higher.
If you are on a profile that says no jumping, then you shouldn't be. BUT that depends on if you have an actual profile. If you don't have a profile that says you can't jump, then they can make you jump.
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CMDCM John F. "Doc" Bradshaw
I Agree with your assessment and message. Bottom line is, Jump Status (Airborne Units) are required to jump to maintain their mission capabilities. If your doctor confirms your or recommends no more Jumps because of permanent medical issues, then leave status is the least of the issues. It’s time to reassess your future career options and transfer to an administrative position or if medically fit to remain on Active Duty, then you need to transfer to a unit you can perform your duties in or retire if eligible or possible medical discharge. Just my humble opinion. Doc
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LTC Jason Mackay
CW4 John Soto there is often selective recanting of the tale as they are fishing for the answer they want. Others are oblivious to the actual issue that is causing their problem with the command. Still others don’t use the right terminology that would lead to a regulation or policy that would show them What is expected. Sometimes the first line doesn’t know more than the Joe asking and that causes problems and Joe crowd sourcing the problem to the internet.
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1SG Ernest Stull
Jump or quit if you feel like you cannot continue your jump status. I know guys who jumped with broken ankles and backs due to the mission so do what your paycheck can handle.
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