Posted on Dec 16, 2016
Can anyone cite the detail in the regs regarding awarding a second marksmanship badge if a Soldier only is assigned one weapon system?
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Interesting question. But I recall wearing the Expert Badge in Grenade and Sharpshooter in Rifle during my Class A inspection during Basic Training. The Rifle was my assigned weapon system, yet I am fairly sure that the Grenade was not an "Assigned" weapon. Taking that logic, I would make the case for having two different qualification level badges for two weapons, even if only assigned one.
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SSG Mark Franzen - I know how to wear the bars. I just wanted to verify IF I could wear them. Thank you for your thoughts.
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SGT Brian Watkins - I have written an essay or two myself on pubs covering one mistake or another, but luckily I have never come in with the uniform out of regs. I suppose because I am willing to ask the question and search the regs first.
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SGT Brian Watkins
SFC (Join to see) - Good sport lol. With that out of the way, at one point I was qualified on three weapons systems M9, M16, and 249... however, upon the completion of my next range about a year later in Graf I did not participate in the M9 qual therefore I did not qualify to wear the M9 bar. Kind of like a last range up. Back to my Jameson, have a wonderful Holiday season!
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SFC (Join to see) - As stated above if you have the correct qualification sheet for the weapons system, yes, but note they are not permanent and must be qualified on again. Like some have said I started out expert on M-16 and Grenades but over time had to drop the grenade since my unit never qualified or try to qualify on them.
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USMC is pretty straightforward. One badge for rifle, one for pistol. The classifications from best to worst are Expert (crossed rifles), Sharpshooter (iron cross), Marksman (pizza box). The only one eligible for any bar below is Expert. It designates how many times you have fired Expert, such as 5th award rifle, 3rd award pistol, and they wear the bar below the respective badge. After that, shooters that have earned awards from competition matches can wear them in place of or along with the others and there are too many possibilities to explain in detail. They can be from placing in Division Matches, Inter-Service, Camp Perry Nationals, or International. Once a competition shooter earns enough points they are classified as Distinguished and wear a Distinguished Badge. A competitive shooter may be Double Distinguished when they reach the mark for both rifle and pistol, and they wear one for each. There are also badges for various accomplishments in marksmanship as shown on the page linked to. No badge for grenade but if someone goes UNQ (unqualified) with grenade their survivors get the SGLI...okay j/k but you get the idea hopefully.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badges_of_the_United_States_Marine_Corps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badges_of_the_United_States_Marine_Corps
Badges of the United States Marine Corps - Wikipedia
Insignia and badges of the United States Marine Corps are military "badges" issued by the United States Department of the Navy to Marines who achieve certain qualifications and accomplishments while serving on both active and reserve duty in the United States Marine Corps.
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Sgt Karl Patch
If someone is a Expert qualified multiple times, but then qualifies as Sharpshooter, and then next year qualifies as Expert again, do they lose all their previous awardment bars and start at none again?
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Found it! If anyone care to know I have it below. Now just to see if the BN or BDE have a policy of not awarding the second badge/bar.
AR 600-8-22
Section IV
Marksmanship Badges and Tabs
8–47. U.S. Army Basic Marksmanship Qualification Badges
a. A basic Marksmanship Qualification Badge is awarded to indicate the degree in which an individual, military, or civilian has qualified in a prescribed record course and an appropriate bar is furnished to denote each weapon with which he or she qualified. Each bar will be attached to the basic badge that indicates the qualification last attained with the respective weapon. Basic qualification badges are of three classes: Expert, Sharpshooter, and Marksman. The only weapons for which component bars are authorized are in table 8–2. Basic Marksmanship Qualification Badges are awarded to U.S. military and civilian personnel, and to foreign military personnel who qualify as prescribed.
b. See AR 670–1 for instructions concerning the wear of basic Marksmanship Qualification Badges and component bar tabs.
c. Approval authority is as follows:
(1) Any commander in the rank or position of LTC/O–5 or above may award to Servicemembers of the Armed Forces of the United States; camp and/or post commanders, Professors of Military Science, and Directors of Army Instruction and/or Senior Army Instructors.
(2) Except for uniformed civilian guards (AR 670–10), awards to civilians will be made by the CMP. The CMP is administered by the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and Firearms Safety, Inc., Post Office Box 576, Port Clinton, Ohio 43452–0576. The authorization for civilian guards to wear basic Marksmanship Qualification Badges may be made by installation commanders. Civilian guards will procure badges at their own expense.
AR 600-8-22
Section IV
Marksmanship Badges and Tabs
8–47. U.S. Army Basic Marksmanship Qualification Badges
a. A basic Marksmanship Qualification Badge is awarded to indicate the degree in which an individual, military, or civilian has qualified in a prescribed record course and an appropriate bar is furnished to denote each weapon with which he or she qualified. Each bar will be attached to the basic badge that indicates the qualification last attained with the respective weapon. Basic qualification badges are of three classes: Expert, Sharpshooter, and Marksman. The only weapons for which component bars are authorized are in table 8–2. Basic Marksmanship Qualification Badges are awarded to U.S. military and civilian personnel, and to foreign military personnel who qualify as prescribed.
b. See AR 670–1 for instructions concerning the wear of basic Marksmanship Qualification Badges and component bar tabs.
c. Approval authority is as follows:
(1) Any commander in the rank or position of LTC/O–5 or above may award to Servicemembers of the Armed Forces of the United States; camp and/or post commanders, Professors of Military Science, and Directors of Army Instruction and/or Senior Army Instructors.
(2) Except for uniformed civilian guards (AR 670–10), awards to civilians will be made by the CMP. The CMP is administered by the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and Firearms Safety, Inc., Post Office Box 576, Port Clinton, Ohio 43452–0576. The authorization for civilian guards to wear basic Marksmanship Qualification Badges may be made by installation commanders. Civilian guards will procure badges at their own expense.
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LTC Jason Mackay
SSG (Join to see) - check 600-8-22, it discusses it under the chapter that discusses the revocation of badges and tabs.
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SGT Brian Watkins
I am more astounded an NCO doesn't know (in the age of internet, and shitty AKO) how/where to look for FM's, AR's, and DA-PAMs in order to answer his own question.
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SGT Brian Watkins - Well your judgement is accepted. What I have is just a pub saying one thing and a PAC who is not present saying something else from some command policy. I figured that I would see if anyone else with greater experience in multiple weapons quals versus weapons assignments had seen this before. Thank you for your input anyways.
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Im sure he knows where to find this stuff. In the age of the internet, social media is a research tool. That’s why he’s here and so are you.
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