Posted on Nov 24, 2014
Are We Really Fighting the War on Terrorism?
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After getting in an intense conversation about some current events, it came across my mind that we have not kept our promise to the American people. "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic...", we have used billions of dollars to end teriorism on the other side of the planet, but we have not spent nearly as much time or resources fighting domestic terrorism.
The KKK and other groups have been identified as terrorist groups for many years, why is it that we allow them to exist on our soil, and continue to do damage? In recent events the KKK have threaten to use violent force against those they view as enemies, why have we not mobilized to destroy this enemy threat who openly threaten our civilians?
The KKK and other groups have been identified as terrorist groups for many years, why is it that we allow them to exist on our soil, and continue to do damage? In recent events the KKK have threaten to use violent force against those they view as enemies, why have we not mobilized to destroy this enemy threat who openly threaten our civilians?
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While I agree with the sentiment stated herein but there is a small problem with the military being used to "fight" groups like the KKK, etc. The Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C. Section 1385) was enacted to prevent the use of U.S. troops in combating any form of civil unrest and against dissident groups (KKK, etc). In 2006, as part of the Post Katrina law changes there was an exception to the Posse Comitatus Act, however due to a huge amount of negative sentiment that particular exception was removed in 2007.
As a result, the only agencies permitted to deal with dissidents and radical organizations such as the KKK, et al., is the FBI, state and local police officials.
As a result, the only agencies permitted to deal with dissidents and radical organizations such as the KKK, et al., is the FBI, state and local police officials.
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PO1 George M is correct. The Constitution is also a double edge sword when it comes to dealing with this issue. Extremist groups have the same 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th Ammendment right protections everyone else does. It makes it hard to completely stamp these groups out as a result.
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SPC Christopher Smith, I personally agree with you about groups like the KKK being a domestic "enemy." I think such domestic elements (including domestic terrorist groups) are seen as a law enforcement problem to be handled by agencies such as the FBI and state and local police.
Whether the U.S. military should get involved in that fight would, I think, be a policy decision. We'd have to get the order to join that fight from higher. Remember that another part of the oath goes like this: "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."
So, if we failed to follow those orders, then I think we would not be keeping our promise in the oath.
Whether the U.S. military should get involved in that fight would, I think, be a policy decision. We'd have to get the order to join that fight from higher. Remember that another part of the oath goes like this: "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice."
So, if we failed to follow those orders, then I think we would not be keeping our promise in the oath.
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SPC Christopher Smith
CW5 Scott Montgomery, less the FBI, it seems State and Local law enforcement agencies in recent light have active members of the KKK in their ranks (known and unknown).
I agree that we should not actively engage these "enemy" without direct support and guided orders from higher. To do so would be unconstitutional and illegal.
I agree that we should not actively engage these "enemy" without direct support and guided orders from higher. To do so would be unconstitutional and illegal.
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I'll take a controversial view and disagree with your premise that the KKK is a terrorist group. This is not the KKK of the 60s and 70s that was attacking, burning and hanging fellow Americans. This is a few sad old people who can't fill a meeting room the size of a gas station restroom. They might agitate and have the occasional speech at town hall but they are not attacking Americans nor do they pose a threat to America.
There are plenty of other examples you could use that pose a real and present danger to the US. As someone mentions the Posse Comitatus Act, let me add another fire bomb and state that I believe that act was mistakenly made and if it were revisited by the SCOTUS they might even find it to be unconstitutional. It restricts the use of our forces from meeting requirements placed on us by our constitution!
So let's get rid of PCA and go after The New Black Panthers, MS13 and any number of other groups. Many of them comprised of illegal aliens! Once we get rid of them, we can send two boy scouts to tell the last vestige of the Klan to sit down and shut up.
There are plenty of other examples you could use that pose a real and present danger to the US. As someone mentions the Posse Comitatus Act, let me add another fire bomb and state that I believe that act was mistakenly made and if it were revisited by the SCOTUS they might even find it to be unconstitutional. It restricts the use of our forces from meeting requirements placed on us by our constitution!
So let's get rid of PCA and go after The New Black Panthers, MS13 and any number of other groups. Many of them comprised of illegal aliens! Once we get rid of them, we can send two boy scouts to tell the last vestige of the Klan to sit down and shut up.
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SPC Christopher Smith
Please explain what illegal or violent things The New Black Panther Party have done, please. I can understand going after MS13 and several other groups with very violent activities.
The KKK has a long history of violent crime, and that should not be overlooked.
As far as the continuing argument that LEO's are better equipt to handle the situation, how do you handle what some of the people in your ranks are apart of? Seems like there could be chronic issues with conflict of interest.
The KKK has a long history of violent crime, and that should not be overlooked.
As far as the continuing argument that LEO's are better equipt to handle the situation, how do you handle what some of the people in your ranks are apart of? Seems like there could be chronic issues with conflict of interest.
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LTC Joseph Gross
Voter intimidation comes immediately to mind. The klan has a long history of violent crime but not a recent history. Kind of like pointing out that the Democrat Party is the party of slavery. Of course it is true but it isn't recent!
I'm not sure what you are saying concerning LEOs being better equipped to handle it. I disagree with that point and believe the military would be better. We just need to change the law and recognize the possible consequences of that action.
I'm not sure what you are saying concerning LEOs being better equipped to handle it. I disagree with that point and believe the military would be better. We just need to change the law and recognize the possible consequences of that action.
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