Posted on Apr 24, 2014
Another APFT question. A normally 270 Soldier took APFT this morning, failed by 3 seconds. Should he be able to take it again tomorrow?
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So we take the APFT for a week long period. Every morning. This morning the Co CDR encouraged the Soldier (SGT) to try and keep up with him on the run. He burned himself out and then ended up actually failing the run by 3 seconds. We are taking the test again tomorrow for the last day. Should he be allowed to retake the test?
Here's my personal thoughts. If he had passed the test and wanted to take it again tomorrow to do better I don't think there'd be any problem with it. So why should there be a problem with it the other way around? What do y'all think?
Here's my personal thoughts. If he had passed the test and wanted to take it again tomorrow to do better I don't think there'd be any problem with it. So why should there be a problem with it the other way around? What do y'all think?
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Are you saying that this SGT has taken four APFTs this week and failed the run on the fourth or are you saying that your unit is doing an APFT week where a select portion of the company takes the APFT each day and this SGT failed on Thursday?
I'm going to assume the second scenario since the first just doesn't seem right. I say no and here's why. The damage is done. it doesn't matter if he failed it because he was goated into a poor performance or if he had broken his ankle during the run and could not complete the test. There is no mitigation of this fact because he passes it the next day or even later that day. And actually, as a leader, I wouldn't allow it because it could be seen as showing favoritism (remember, perception is reality). If you're going to give a mulligan test then everyone, even those taking the test on the last day of the week need to be allow the same opportunity. On top of which, the few times that I've seen people try to take an APFT the next day after failing the test, they never did better and usually did worse the second time around. No, unless there is some extenuating situation I would have the SGT wait thirty days and retake the test. Use this as a learning lesson that he should NEVER let his pride over rule is better judgement.
I'm going to assume the second scenario since the first just doesn't seem right. I say no and here's why. The damage is done. it doesn't matter if he failed it because he was goated into a poor performance or if he had broken his ankle during the run and could not complete the test. There is no mitigation of this fact because he passes it the next day or even later that day. And actually, as a leader, I wouldn't allow it because it could be seen as showing favoritism (remember, perception is reality). If you're going to give a mulligan test then everyone, even those taking the test on the last day of the week need to be allow the same opportunity. On top of which, the few times that I've seen people try to take an APFT the next day after failing the test, they never did better and usually did worse the second time around. No, unless there is some extenuating situation I would have the SGT wait thirty days and retake the test. Use this as a learning lesson that he should NEVER let his pride over rule is better judgement.
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Actuaslly SFC, I had a guy who needed an APFT for promotion. We are NG so we have jobs on the civ side. He decided to come in on his friday after working 12 hrs because he signing for a house the next day. He failed his run by a minute. He asked to do it again next day first thing in morning, I said 'OK"
His pu'su were the same and he passed his run with 30secs to spare. And made it home in time to close on his house. It all depends on how determined you are.
His pu'su were the same and he passed his run with 30secs to spare. And made it home in time to close on his house. It all depends on how determined you are.
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SFC Douglas Eshenbaugh
So you had a Soldier that need a APFT to get promoted so instead of waiting till the morning you had this Soldier take a APFT after a full days work. I will assume that his job requires some exertion as you want to blame his failure to pass the first test on his working a full day. He then turns around and passes it the next morning. I would say the failure their was the Soldier taking the test when he wasn't at his optimal performance level. There is a reason we don't do smoke sessions or run five miles at a fast pace the day before an APFT.
On a side note, it shouldn't matter if your National Guard, Reserve, or Active Duty. The regs might change a little to accommodate the uniqueness of each but the standards remain the same. Unless you're suggesting it shouldn't but I don't believe you are.
On a side note, it shouldn't matter if your National Guard, Reserve, or Active Duty. The regs might change a little to accommodate the uniqueness of each but the standards remain the same. Unless you're suggesting it shouldn't but I don't believe you are.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Where's this 30-day wait come from? Record APFTs must be a minimum of 4 months apart (AR 350-1, para G9 m(2) )
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Let him take it. If he fails, he gets counted for one failure. If I'm a Commander with any common sense, I would see that initiating a chapter on an otherwise good Soldier because of a poor APFT decision (or two) would be a pointless exercise in "following the letter of the law."
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SGM Matthew Quick
MAJ Zeski,
Yes, if this is a quality NCO that made a simple mistake, counsel, flag/bar and re-test within 30 days AFTER passing a diagnostic...for the NCO's own good.
Yes, if this is a quality NCO that made a simple mistake, counsel, flag/bar and re-test within 30 days AFTER passing a diagnostic...for the NCO's own good.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
Well, I think we agree then that the consequence of a bar to re-enlistment would be justified - both in regulation and in reality.
Works for me.
Works for me.
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SGM Matthew Quick
Right on!
Just didn't agree with the two APFT failures with 24-hour period (paraphrasing) should result in one failure.
Just didn't agree with the two APFT failures with 24-hour period (paraphrasing) should result in one failure.
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Wish I had been in the Army....PT failure in the AF is kiss of death and just starts a slow roll to discharge regardless of past performances.
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I would counsel the soldier for failing the APFT, give him/her 48 hours to retake it (now we are talking about 3 seconds). If then fails the second APFT I would flag him/her and start remedial PT.
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1SG, I would do the same. You have to ask the Soldiers was he or she sick? Still counsel and then repeat APFT next week.
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I agree with the flag after the 2nd one if done within 48hrs. I say this because I was a SPC(P). I did 99 sit-ups and when I got up, I was dizzy and wanted to gag the whole time and failed. Had a stomach bug, but didn't realize how it would flare up. Was given 48hrs and went from a 1630 to 1407. A flag would have ruined the (P) status and the 1SG knew I was not a real failure. Had a good 1SG with common sense.
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