Posted on Mar 31, 2014
SPC Christopher Smith
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I really do get annoyed with this finger pointing, and my generation is better than yours that plagues and divides not only our military, but our society. How do we fix this issue and move forward? I would like this thread to be hollow ground where everyone steps away from ego and pride, and fix the issue. In order for this to work we need old and young, subordients and leaders alike to participate.

 

We may not be able to tag people into this thread but I encourage everyone to copy and paste the URL in a message to people in their network that might want to say their piece.

 

We can do better that we have ever done, by understanding what drives the old generation and new. We need to understand why we are bumping heads instead of melding.

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SPC David Wyckoff
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I don't think things have changed all that much. I think that each generation tends to romantisize their past in an effort to feel special. Almost every human being on the planet wants to feel special. We as veterans do it. We don't talk about it. But we do it. We take a small amount of pride in the fact that we represent the 1% of the population that is willing to step up and guard the flock. We count ourselves among a small brotherhood and sisterhood. That makes us special. No, we don't ask to be thanked. We don't ask for special treatment but we like it when we get it. The greater percentage of us probably never really talk about our sacrifices to civilians. But down deep we hold a pride in our veteran status. We even rank ourselves with degrees of specialness. A combat special forces SM is revered by other SMs as having achieved 1% of the 1%. Rightly so. I'm not saying our pride is bad. I'm just pointing it out.



I said all that to correlate that to how generations deal with each other. We don't want to become irrelevant. As people get older they can't do physically what they used to do. They can't contribute at the tip of the spear, so we find other ways for "our generation" to still be special, and sometimes like fourth grader that's feeling out of place we lash out at others. We showcase what we percieve to be their faults in order to make ourselves feel better. It's human.


 


Answers? Solutions? There aren't any. Not any single silver bullet answers anyway. I think that the solution is that we start each day trying to find others who need help. First we start with our own, because we relate to them best. Shake a hand, show some kindness. Find another vet, specifically one out of your generational demographic and show them the best face of your generation.


We are a nation divided right now. We are divided religiously and politically. We are divided by class and status. We have to mature as a society. We have to stop letting facebook meme's form our opinion and start using critical thinking.


 


But in the end it starts with one person. One person willing to step outside their comfort zone and do what others won't. We have always led the way in ingenuity and creative thinking as SMs and veterans. We need to do it again. We can coelsce faster than civilians. Every tried to get a group of civilians to work together as a team? Now try doing that same thing with a group of vets. We find out who our leader is; we rank and team ourselves and we get to work. To change this divisive thinking we need to take the lead, politically, militarily, and personally.


 

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SPC David Wyckoff
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I think you hit on a key point. Cause and effect. Because working up the ranks and learning the position above you is critical to COOP in the military it trains us as veterans to always strive upward. We know what it was like at the bottom when bad decisions were made so we are more careful when we get to the top.
I think that is lost on civilian leadership sometimes. It seems to me that sometimes they are just shooting in the dark hoping that something they do fixes what ever problem they are attempting to tackle. Instead of breaking the problem down and dealing with it one step at a time they just try stuff...any stuff.
Like the thread the other day that asked how do we get veterans hired. The answer is actually simple. We get vets into the HR departments so we know that vets are getting a fair shake and we as vets start our own businesses and hire vets.
Similarly, this problem means that we have to move ourselves into a place to be the one to lead these changes.
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SPC Christopher Smith
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You are correct, it takes someone who has been in the military to understand someone coming from the military. I think many of our vets fail to translate their experience into something civilians can understand. As far as getting a fair shake, I believe many of us do, but a lot of times we harm ourselves by believing we are entitled to higher level positions because of our prior military rank.
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SPC David Wyckoff
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I was just thinking the exact same thing the other day. I saw a bumper sticker that said, "Pissed off dysfunctional vet, medicated for your protection".
While I could relate to it on a personal level, it only serves to widen the gap between civilians and military and vets.
In the thread a couple weeks ago about PTSD someone mentioned that we need to try to take find a way to remove the stigma of combat related PTSD. I agree. We do need to find a way to show the civilians that we aren't just "crazy ol vets". We need to be able to show them we have our problems but we can perservere and overcome those problems. But I think we are self defeating sometimes as vets when we continually highlight whate makes us different.
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SPC Christopher Smith
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That right there is the reason I think RP is so vital for our active members and vets. The ability to gain the insight that although your vet friends understand the joke and laugh, the rest of the population looks at it and wants to remove us.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Not because I am biased, but communications seems to bridge most any gap whether tactical or interpersonal. Yes, there are differences in thought, mindset and attitude among generations. Yes, we label generations based on characteristics - the greatest generation, baby boomers, generation x, etc. If we are to understand the differences we must open the lines of communications beyond the labeling and stereotyping. Failure to do this will keep the bridges closed.

There is no reason not to communicate. We're supposed to pass on our knowledge to the next generation so they can continue what works, drop what doesn't and use their own improvisation to fill in the holes. Though it inevitably happens, we shouldn't judge the next generation to harshly because like us, they have to stumble and learn to pick themselves up without us telling them, "I told you so". Hey, we survived the 60s and avoided nuclear annihilation so anything is possible.
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MSG Wade Huffman
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AMEN! Speaking of music, I'm on the road tomorrow to celebrate some good old fashioned American music with my first ever visit to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame! On your comment, I'll use the opportunity to reinforce 'quality' music to my children (even though they are 22 and 27!)
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Its never to late to mend one's or one's children's waysMSG Wade Huffman, My parents continuously remind me of that :-) Have fun, sounds like a blast!

"Long Live Rock, be it dead or alive..."
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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OK, MSG Wade Huffman, my boys, BOYS, are watching, "Phantom of the Opera". I think my wife and I built that bridge out depleted uranium!
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MSG(P) Michael Warrick
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Get these young ones off the cell phones and make them have a communication face to face like we had to.
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--Stereotypes are just that...stereotypes.  Unfortunately, some people see a young face & junior insignia in uniform and have already made (likely) negative assumptions about you; you aren't accountable, reliable, or capable of integrity. To a point you can't blame the accuser...they are human!

 

--The light at the end of the tunnel is we have military standards that help us surpass those assumptions. 1) Regardless of your rank, you are given SOME opportunity to provide input so you can rid your image of these generalizations through your words 2) You receive performance reports, so your positive actions are validated, seen, and written in stone and 3) everyone works off the same regulations; so regardless of age, communication preferences, behaviors, etc. we all share that common ground.

 

--This issue is human, as we are, so it will always be present.  BUT, we should acknowledge and be thankful for the leg up we have due to our military standards.

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