Posted on Jul 25, 2015
DoD ID numbers and retail stores...is this legal or acceptable?
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My sister works in a retail store and had a guy ask for a military discount, my question is it legal for businesses record the ID number?
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Their isn't anything wrong with it. It is there to be used as an ID number. That is why they put it there. In some states it is illegal to make a color copy of a photo ID. I am not sure if the Army has the same the policy. But just giving someone your ID number really doesn't mean anything. I think that guy is one victim of trying to feel special. Somewhere in this time in service I am sure he was feed a line about how special it is and how it is a national security threat if anyone sees it. What I question is if it is so secretive then why part it on the card? If you can give it to the enemy when you are captured I don't think a retail is much worse of a threat.
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COL Vincent Stoneking
SSG Robert Webster - Sigh. Title 18, U.S. Code Part I, Chapter 33, Section 701. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2009-title18/pdf/USCODE-2009-title18-partI-chap33-sec701.pdf
Note it allows for "except as authorized under regulations made pursuant to law..." You cited uses authorized under regulation. I note your list did not include military discounts in the list of authorized photocopying.
If the US Code isn't good enough for you, I will cede the field to you.
Note it allows for "except as authorized under regulations made pursuant to law..." You cited uses authorized under regulation. I note your list did not include military discounts in the list of authorized photocopying.
If the US Code isn't good enough for you, I will cede the field to you.
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SSG Robert Webster
COL Vincent Stoneking - Actually, I did include military discounts. For a business, a military discount has an impact on taxes, therefore it becomes a tax matter for the business, both at the state and federal level.
I also think that you failed to read my entire statement before responding.
I also think that you failed to read my entire statement before responding.
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COL Vincent Stoneking
SSG Robert Webster - It doesn't matter what *YOU* include. It matters what the law and regulations include. As I stated, the DoDI did not so list.
Speaking of what *YOU* include, it is noted that the first half of the paragraph you cite (the part you ....'ed) states:
"Any person willfully altering, damaging, lending, counterfeiting, or using these cards in any unauthorized manner is subject to fine or imprisonment or both, as prescribed in sections 499, 506, 509, 701, and 1001 of title 18, United States Code (U.S.C.) (Reference (u)). Section 701 of Reference (u) prohibits photographing or otherwise reproducing or possessing DoD ID cards in an unauthorized manner, under penalty of fine or imprisonment or both."
I will not speculate out loud why you chose to leave that part of the paragraph, that you had obviously read, out of your initial post asking for the regulatory citation.
In any case, the field is yours. ;-)
Speaking of what *YOU* include, it is noted that the first half of the paragraph you cite (the part you ....'ed) states:
"Any person willfully altering, damaging, lending, counterfeiting, or using these cards in any unauthorized manner is subject to fine or imprisonment or both, as prescribed in sections 499, 506, 509, 701, and 1001 of title 18, United States Code (U.S.C.) (Reference (u)). Section 701 of Reference (u) prohibits photographing or otherwise reproducing or possessing DoD ID cards in an unauthorized manner, under penalty of fine or imprisonment or both."
I will not speculate out loud why you chose to leave that part of the paragraph, that you had obviously read, out of your initial post asking for the regulatory citation.
In any case, the field is yours. ;-)
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SSG Robert Webster
COL Vincent Stoneking - I am not a legal or tax expert by any means, nor am I a linguistics expert. However, since the subsequent sentence in the second part of the paragraph explicitly states what the authorized uses are, and the first part does not specify what is unauthorized, why expend the additional effort when it does not add to the discussion. What I do find interesting in your side of the discussion is that in the previous DoDI that one of the currently authorized photocopying scenario was actually explicitly unauthorized. but the part of the paragraph that you are talking about remained the same.
Another aspect of this, that some individuals may not understand, is that anything that provides a financial benefit is a tax matter, this is proven by both written codes and case law. In this regard, any financial benefit that can or by law has to be reported is a tax matter.
Another reason why a military veterans ID is all the rage on the street and apparently in Congress, but this would not address the associated problems for those on Active Duty, Reservist, National Guardsmen, or Dependents that may not have that ID when and if it becomes available.
There is a lot that someone can learn after 17 years of working in the accounting software industry.
Another aspect of this, that some individuals may not understand, is that anything that provides a financial benefit is a tax matter, this is proven by both written codes and case law. In this regard, any financial benefit that can or by law has to be reported is a tax matter.
Another reason why a military veterans ID is all the rage on the street and apparently in Congress, but this would not address the associated problems for those on Active Duty, Reservist, National Guardsmen, or Dependents that may not have that ID when and if it becomes available.
There is a lot that someone can learn after 17 years of working in the accounting software industry.
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Yes, it's legal. Back in "the day", your ID number was your social security number; this is a major improvement.
I've still got some checks with my SSN pre-printed; it had to be on any check used on base.
I've still got some checks with my SSN pre-printed; it had to be on any check used on base.
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COL Vincent Stoneking
I remember when I did the same, as merchants insisted on both your address and SSN before they would accept a check. Seemed to be the standard until sometime in the 1990's.
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Incorrect. You CANNOT disclose your EDIPI number. Read the DODI.
You can’t even share it with other government agencies.
You can’t even share it with other government agencies.
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MSgt (Join to see)
He was right. It’s illegal to share. How do people in uniform NOT know this?SPC (Join to see)
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