Posted on Jun 30, 2015
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There has been a lot of movement in two opposite, conflicting directions. On the one hand we now have legalized gay marriage, and on the other a growing movement to adopt Sharia Law in the US. On the surface they don't really seem to have anything to do with one another. I mean, we should be equally tolerant of muslims and homosexuals. Right?
Unfortunately for both groups there are some real dilemmas coming. For example: Will mosques and imams be required to perform same-sex marriages in the same way that Christian churches and pastors will be? A recent study determined that 51% of muslims living in this country support the adoption of Sharia Law. Islam and Sharia Law isn't too friendly toward homosexuals, and it has been widely reported for throwing gay men from rooftops among other things.
How are these two groups going to coexist in a country where acceptance of gay marriage has been institutionalized and many Congressional representatives and other government officials advocate for institutional acceptance of Sharia Law?
Also up for discussion is the "war on women" and sharia law in the US. How do these two groups coexist with opposing viewpoints on the role of women in society?
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Unfortunately for both groups there are some real dilemmas coming. For example: Will mosques and imams be required to perform same-sex marriages in the same way that Christian churches and pastors will be? A recent study determined that 51% of muslims living in this country support the adoption of Sharia Law. Islam and Sharia Law isn't too friendly toward homosexuals, and it has been widely reported for throwing gay men from rooftops among other things.
How are these two groups going to coexist in a country where acceptance of gay marriage has been institutionalized and many Congressional representatives and other government officials advocate for institutional acceptance of Sharia Law?
Also up for discussion is the "war on women" and sharia law in the US. How do these two groups coexist with opposing viewpoints on the role of women in society?
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SFC Jeff L.
LTC Bink Romanick I'd like to invite you to unfollow the discussion, or regoup and knock off the passive-aggressive nonsense.
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Relax. Sharia law is no different than any other religious law, like keeping kosher. It can only apply to willing participants - like being on "The People's Court." There is a thing in law called "comity" or an agreement to recognize legal orders from foreign jurisdictions, giving them "full faith and credit." So an order from a New Jersey court will be recognized in Florida and an order from England or Saudi Arabia likewise. However, this is not unlimited and must be a lawful order - like child support, not sending a woman back for genital mutilation or beheading. People need to understand, the law isn't stupid or silly. Feel better now?
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Maj Mike Sciales
Ever been to Milbrae, CA, near the San Francisco airport ? Pretty much been taken over by Chinese immigrants. Private banks, lots of businesses where only Chinese is spoken. This is a typical immigrant pattern - people move to where others like them live. It eases the transition. Now we all know the Chinese hack us, steal secrets, make crap products and generally do not operate in our best interests. So are they a menace or do they get a pass because nobody cares as long as they aren't Muslim?
My point is people are always afraid of strangers and their strange ways - Xenophobia- Greek for fear of strangers. The easiest way to overcome that fear is go talk to some of whatever group it is you are worried about. Go visit a mosque and talk to the preacher. Ask your questions about Sharia. Satisfy yourself by getting first hand information.
There are about 1 billion Muslims in the world. Daesh (ISIS) might have 50,000 members, a very small percentage - but if they can drive a wedge, sew hate and discontent amongst friends, well then they can win. We must fight ignorance.
My point is people are always afraid of strangers and their strange ways - Xenophobia- Greek for fear of strangers. The easiest way to overcome that fear is go talk to some of whatever group it is you are worried about. Go visit a mosque and talk to the preacher. Ask your questions about Sharia. Satisfy yourself by getting first hand information.
There are about 1 billion Muslims in the world. Daesh (ISIS) might have 50,000 members, a very small percentage - but if they can drive a wedge, sew hate and discontent amongst friends, well then they can win. We must fight ignorance.
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SFC Jeff L.
Maj Mike Sciales There is a huge difference between an irrational fear of strangers and seeing things for what they are. Houston has a pretty significant Vietnamese population. In fact there are places around town where there is a lot of signage in Vietnamese. The difference is that they aren't guarding their compounds with rifles and demanding to use Vietnamese tribunals in lieu of American courts. Nor do they call for jihad. Making moral equivalents out of dissimilar situations insults both our intelligence.
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CPT Ahmed Faried
Clealry you have an agenda against Muslims and I get that. It is your right to be ignorant and live in world full of fear of the "other" but just come out and say that. Your allusions to ridiculous "what ifs" and clearly non-factual examples are just an attempt to hide that view. How many muslims do you personally know? It is easy to fear something and thing the worse of it unless you are familiar with it. Go to your local mosque if there is one and speak to the Imam, I assure you, you won't come out with an insatiable urge to bomb people and inanimate objects. But I guarantee you your fears will be gone. Take a knee, get some fresh air SFC Lyden. The world isn't so scary.
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Maj Mike Sciales
I haven't seen any move towards "Sharia" except for people trying to get bibles in the classroom as a legitimate text book. Why not the Qu'uran? Let in one, let in all.
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SGT Ben Keen
SFC Jeff L. - I just don't agree with saying that because homosexuals are given the right to marry that now we are going to see some religious law take hold in the country. Every religion has a set of church laws, in the United Methodist Church they call them Cannons. These are rules that govern the church and the people that work for the church. As a minister, my father is bond to follow these rules when making decisions for the church. They do not impact us in any other way but to say what my dad can and cannot do in his official role as a representative of the church.
Sharia is along the same lines. You are not going to see the Bill of Rights or the Constitution thrown aside and replaced by one religion's rules. As I was staying yesterday, please people, take a deep breath. The sky is not falling. The horseman are not riding down from the clouds because now Same Sex Marriage is ruled as being legal by the Supreme Court. You can continue to live as you been living. The government is coming to take your guns or your right to say what you want to say. It's amazing to look back at history, every time a group was given the ability to pratice rights that others have had such as voting, working, using a bathroom that wasn't 20 feet outside the front door, or whatever other rights this country has eventually opened up to other groups; there are people that will jump up and start screaming. Using fear based methods to try and explain how the new change is bad when in reality the change is just one more step to equality. The same equality that we all fought for during our time in the service.
Sharia is along the same lines. You are not going to see the Bill of Rights or the Constitution thrown aside and replaced by one religion's rules. As I was staying yesterday, please people, take a deep breath. The sky is not falling. The horseman are not riding down from the clouds because now Same Sex Marriage is ruled as being legal by the Supreme Court. You can continue to live as you been living. The government is coming to take your guns or your right to say what you want to say. It's amazing to look back at history, every time a group was given the ability to pratice rights that others have had such as voting, working, using a bathroom that wasn't 20 feet outside the front door, or whatever other rights this country has eventually opened up to other groups; there are people that will jump up and start screaming. Using fear based methods to try and explain how the new change is bad when in reality the change is just one more step to equality. The same equality that we all fought for during our time in the service.
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SFC Jeff L.
SGT Ben Keen Look, I couln't care less if gay people want to get married. I don't think the decision needed to be taken away from the states. And, there's no need to try to marginalize me by condescension and mocking with the whole "sky's not falling, horsemen...etc." Years ago nobody wanted to believe the gov't was monitoring all electronic communication. Now it's not only common knowledge, but we act as if it's normal. I'm not trying to scare people. What I am trying to do is make an observation that our society seems to be embracing two groups and their agendas that are likely to be on a collision course. And Sharia law in not along the same lines as other religious law. It is not compatible with our system of justice or societal norms. See the article I posted below - Islam: Governing under sharia.
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SGT Ben Keen
SFC Jeff L. - My apologizes, I was not trying to single you out or mock you. I was merely commenting on the ways some people are taking it to a level that it really doesn't need to go. Some people, either on the national news, radio, blogs, or on the streets are just acting as though this is the first time anything has ever changed. I guess my frustration with people's lack of an educated response just bubbled over and again I didn't mean to mock you or to reduce your point in any way. We all know this debate will echo in the halls for weeks, months and years to come but I'm sure the same thing happened with all the other changes the country has gone through.
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