Posted on Mar 12, 2014
SSG Jason Hoadley
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As the concept and implementation of online courses ramps up, Does anyone else feel that these will slowly kill off resident courses?

 

More over, I am afraid that as leadership courses become an online course(Common Core) a very important atrition step will be removed.  

I read often on here about the short comings of new soldiers and leaders.

Maybe I am making a false connection.

But it seems, on the outside looking in, that online courses and these complaints coincide. 

I am all for continuing education, online or otherwise.

But I feel that all Leadership Courses (NCOES & OES) need to stay  resident courses. 

 

 

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CMC Robert Young
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SSG, I concur that there are pronounced concerns about the current generation of service members capacity to interact with their peer group, supervisors and subordinates; and I'm equally convinced that it stems from inordinate amount of time they spent as children playing on the computer as opposed to playing with real friends.


That said, the online training arena is likely a double edged sword in today's world. Because the current generation has been inculcated to interact in the digital format, training in an asynchronous environment probably appeals more to them and is beneficial for learning technical skills. It also allows people to check in and out as their schedules permit, and saves the service money required for transportation/lodging involving offsite brick and mortar institutions.


The other side of the coin is that leadership relies heavily on interpersonal skills which CANNOT be fully developed in the online environment. Because of this, I don't think we will see a complete demise of actual classroom training particularly in the leadership arena, but we may see it scaled back or altered to make it easier to achieve and less costly. The Coast Guard has developed some hybrid leadership courses 

requiring students to complete portions of the training prior to reporting to the brick and mortar classroom. This may well be the way of the future for classes that need to have a physical interaction component.


We as leaders must remind those who plan our training what we need, and ensure that they deliver meaningful opportunities instead of just checking the blocks training.


Thoughtful post...;-)

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SSG Jason Hoadley
SSG Jason Hoadley
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The Army has a similar system. 

I think that it is a DOD wide process.

 

You brought up a great point with the Peer to Peer training.

I remember my first leadership course and there was more info shared between the students than from the instructors.

 

 

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COL Vincent Stoneking
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From a Reservist perspective, it often gets down to an issue of time away from the job that pays the bills. 

I will be doing the Army War College online over the next two years.  This will require two two-week trips to the schoolhouse and countless hours of my own time. Not fun, but doable. Were I to be accepted into the resident course, I would have to think long and hard about attending - could I really afford to take 10 months off from my day job? (Yes, they would hold it for me, and I actually make better $$ while in uniform.) Could I take the hit to my civilian knowledge and career trajectory? For me, the answer is no. 

In person only would mean that the only Reservists who could advance would be the ones with undemanding civilian careers.  This would be its own kind of bad. 
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LTC Paul Mullins
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I don't believe there is a high correlation between online courses and complaints about leadership, but I think there could be some.

 

I agree though that leadership courses should not be taught online.  You can teach a common core that is not directly leadership (i.e. history, doctrine, etc) and then have a resident phase to cover the leadership aspects.  You need to have that direct face-to-face interaction between the instructors and the students in my opinion, and more importantly the student-to-student interface.  What you learn from your peers generally outweighed what I learned from instructors, especially in something like leadership where it is more art than science.

 

You can substitute VTCs and online options (like Sametime), but it just isn't the same no matter how much money or time it saves.

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Sir, I agree that leadership studies are diminished online, but I do believe that concepts of leadership theory can certainly be learned through an online program.  Theory such as servant leadership, situational leadership, and transformational leadership are well documented and discussed in the works of Bennis and Nanus, Maxwell, and many others.  These works coupled with case studies and an interactive, discussion-oriented online forum often produce a good foundation in leadership theory.  

I understand that the practical aspect of leadership would be difficult to teach online, but I argue that it is equally difficult in a traditional classroom.  A leadership theory curriculum is a good foundation, but until an individual is vested with an opportunity to lead he or she will never fully understand how to apply the theory anyway.


Peer learning certainly reinforces practical application, but I argue that a leadership training program must always begin with a foundation in theory and I believe online programs can work to teach theory.



No matter how we shake a stick at it, leadership skill is a life-long learning process and I argue that every form of teaching can help develop excellent leaders if it is used properly.

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Maj Chris Nelson
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While I am unaware of any data points to support a disparity between classroom and online type of coursework, I feel that some types of classes could generate this exact problem.  Online courses work great for things such as Lit, English, some math, non-lab based science courses....there are some courses that I personally feel are NOT appropriate (but they are out there!).  Some leadership course (theory can be done online, but some need to have some practicle that goes along with it), NURSING....I feel that basic nursing degrees need to be done in the classroom.  I also feel that any advanced patient care based degree needs to be done in classroom, advanced nursing degrees that are not patient centric (such as mine which is MSN/Nursing EDUCATION) are ok as most of it is theory and not a hands on. 
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