Posted on Aug 27, 2021
If the pentagon didn’t mandate that all service members receive the COVID vaccine, would you have gotten it?
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To be clear, I'm not Anti Vax but I'm also not vaccinated. With all the immunizations and drugs the government has given us like anthrax, smallpox, doxycycline, mefloquine..etc. service members and Veterans are still concerned about the COVID-19 vaccine. Even after the FDA approved Pfizer, I was not planning on receiving the vaccine and would not have gotten it without being forced by the Military. Now that the pentagon mandated it, I obviously have no choice. I’m curious to hear other veteran/service members opinions are?
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The military never misses an opportunity to remind me why retirement was the right call. No, I wouldn't get it until a regular vaccine (not an mRNA spike protein version) was fully through Phase 3 long term testing, which is the only way the FDA is supposed to grant full approval. Of the ones available in the USA, that is only the J&J product, and it's a LONG way from full Phase 3 testing completion. Of course, none of them can be because that phase takes three years to complete.
Which begs the question, how could any of the vaccines receive full FDA approval based on science rather than politics?
Which begs the question, how could any of the vaccines receive full FDA approval based on science rather than politics?
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SPC Joel Quey
SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson) - You don't remember the SARS scare from 2002 - 2004?
Also, while flu was much rarer (because so many people were masking, maintaining distances, etc), it still occurred https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
Also, while flu was much rarer (because so many people were masking, maintaining distances, etc), it still occurred https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
Weekly U.S. Influenza Surveillance Report
Learn more about the weekly influenza surveillance report (FluView) prepared by the Influenza Division.
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Cpl Henry E Busby
SGT Lori Adams - Since some have chosen to politicize this, no one seems to read beyond their preconceived notions. That is a shame.
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SPC Stiv ChenRobbins
SGT Lori Adams - I don't remember "men" having a meeting and all agreeing to take Viagra. Must have missed that one... but broad brushes aside, nobody has ever been required by law to take Viagra, so I guess that was just an irrelevant misandrist flame.
Presonally, I have taken the vaccine, both steps. At this point, there is no real justification for forcing people to take booster after booster, and the fact that the vaccine is only effected for a few months affects the risk:reward ratio a fair bit. I am adamantly opposed to forcing people to take a medication that is no universally accepted and has not had time to go through the full screening process. The only reason there isn't more open opposition is because people who publicly even question the vaccines or suggest there are viable alternatives are shut down hard.
Presonally, I have taken the vaccine, both steps. At this point, there is no real justification for forcing people to take booster after booster, and the fact that the vaccine is only effected for a few months affects the risk:reward ratio a fair bit. I am adamantly opposed to forcing people to take a medication that is no universally accepted and has not had time to go through the full screening process. The only reason there isn't more open opposition is because people who publicly even question the vaccines or suggest there are viable alternatives are shut down hard.
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SPC Stiv ChenRobbins But it did go thru the full screening process. It has to. And the military routinely forces it members to take shit that probably isn’t universally accepted - thinking Anthrax.
The viagra comment as you must have missed was about how it was also quickly developed but we don’t seem to here any bitching about that. No one seems to care about the long term health effects of viagra. Seems a bit of a double standard.
https://www.umms.org/coronavirus/covid-vaccine/facts/testing
The viagra comment as you must have missed was about how it was also quickly developed but we don’t seem to here any bitching about that. No one seems to care about the long term health effects of viagra. Seems a bit of a double standard.
https://www.umms.org/coronavirus/covid-vaccine/facts/testing
COVID Vaccine Testing and Approval
The COVID vaccines went through the same layers of review and testing as other vaccines. Due to the dire nature of the pandemic, certain barriers to development, related to funding and manufacturing, were removed.
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Of course. I got it long before it was mandated.
No one should have to be forced to be a responsible adult and/or to care about the people around us.
No one should have to be forced to be a responsible adult and/or to care about the people around us.
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PFC David Foster
LTC (Join to see) - Sir, it's logical that the worse any of the symptoms are, the more contagious a person would be, and the more concentrated the virus would be progressively from a mildly sick persons fluids to a deathly sick persons fluids etc. i.e. Inhalation of air carrying very small fine droplets and aerosol particles that contain infectious virus. Risk of transmission is greatest within three to six feet of an infectious source where the concentration of these very fine droplets and particles is greatest.
Deposition of virus carried in exhaled droplets and particles onto exposed mucous membranes (i.e., “splashes and sprays”, such as being coughed on). Risk of transmission is likewise greatest close to an infectious source where the concentration of these exhaled droplets and particles is greatest.
Touching mucous membranes with hands soiled by exhaled respiratory fluids containing virus or from touching inanimate surfaces contaminated with virus.
Deposition of virus carried in exhaled droplets and particles onto exposed mucous membranes (i.e., “splashes and sprays”, such as being coughed on). Risk of transmission is likewise greatest close to an infectious source where the concentration of these exhaled droplets and particles is greatest.
Touching mucous membranes with hands soiled by exhaled respiratory fluids containing virus or from touching inanimate surfaces contaminated with virus.
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CDR (Join to see)
How does the vaccine protect those around you? Do you know how the vaccine works? In actuality, it only affords YOU a lesser disease course. It also allows you to enjoy asymptomatic spread and contributes to mutations (diseases mutate to naturally get around threats to their existence when that threat doesn’t eradicate them… which these vaccines do not). Sincerely, a practicing physician.
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SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson)
Capt Gregory Prickett - incorrect - we actually care deeply about others which is why we are demanding this be a personal choice. If the vaccine worked - which is is proving more and more to not only NOT work, but to be the actual reason people are now contracting variants - then you should not have to worry if my family does not get it. Out of the 12 I have buried recently - all were vaccinated and all died of blood clots, heart attacks, aneurisms, and breathing issues shortly after the second injection. my daughter's best friend at 16 has been to the ER now twice with heart issues after the shot. It should be as personal a choice as smoking or drinking.
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TSgt John Brody
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Not an anti vaxxer as I have always had all my shots. I am an anti COVID vaccine. It is still in trials for safety and efficacy until May 2023. Not sure how FDA approved it without these mandatory trials. The vaccine may make you sick or give you long term disabilities. I also believe in “Freedom of choice”. With that freedom comes consequences. I would probably be discharged.
Read an article this morning that those being discharged are being given a dishonourable…. Is that too heavy handed? When did we become a nation of chickens or that any kind of noncompliance is seen As INTOLERABLE and must be exterminated by any means.
Also read this AM of a mother who had her parental rights taken from her and of a man jailed because they have not been vaccinated.
I read an article this morning that those in service are requesting waivers. Those waivers are being denied with no response or ability to appeal. This isn’t the military I retired from. The Biden WH, CDC and WHO do not make the vaccine mandatory for their personnel! Now the medical facilities want to deny medical care for the unvaccinated.
I need to stop reading…. LOL
Discrimination in any form is wrong. Change the word unvaccinated to “obese people”, “brown eyed” or “mentally challenged” and tell me it’s not discriminatory!!
Read an article this morning that those being discharged are being given a dishonourable…. Is that too heavy handed? When did we become a nation of chickens or that any kind of noncompliance is seen As INTOLERABLE and must be exterminated by any means.
Also read this AM of a mother who had her parental rights taken from her and of a man jailed because they have not been vaccinated.
I read an article this morning that those in service are requesting waivers. Those waivers are being denied with no response or ability to appeal. This isn’t the military I retired from. The Biden WH, CDC and WHO do not make the vaccine mandatory for their personnel! Now the medical facilities want to deny medical care for the unvaccinated.
I need to stop reading…. LOL
Discrimination in any form is wrong. Change the word unvaccinated to “obese people”, “brown eyed” or “mentally challenged” and tell me it’s not discriminatory!!
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PO2 William Rowanoak
TSgt John Brody - Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. If you can provide a link to any REAL evidence, like peer reviewed science journals or clinical reports from actual medical research, I will be happy to check it out. Until then, I don't waste my time on bullshit YouTube videos.
For clarity, I am not saying that there are no side effects, only that legitimate side effects are rare. Hint: someone who gets the vaccine and then is run over by a bus did NOT die from the vaccine.
For clarity, I am not saying that there are no side effects, only that legitimate side effects are rare. Hint: someone who gets the vaccine and then is run over by a bus did NOT die from the vaccine.
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TSgt John Brody
Check out Bret Weinsteins podcast and videos. He interviews several 'experts' that you seem to require.
As to peer reviewed articles...I guess I could do some more digging. But really, is it needed? There is a ton of evidence that:
the vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting the disease.
It doesn't prevent you from spreading the disease.
It can make you ill or kill you.
Vitamin D is a great preventative.
Ivermectin within the first 48 hours reduces symptoms.
Hydroxy if you still have bad symptoms after a few days.
Wash your hands and keep your dirty fingers away from your face.
Eat healthy...avoid sugar and alcohol.
Comorbidities are KILLERS if you get the kung flu!
etc etc etc.
As to peer reviewed articles...I guess I could do some more digging. But really, is it needed? There is a ton of evidence that:
the vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting the disease.
It doesn't prevent you from spreading the disease.
It can make you ill or kill you.
Vitamin D is a great preventative.
Ivermectin within the first 48 hours reduces symptoms.
Hydroxy if you still have bad symptoms after a few days.
Wash your hands and keep your dirty fingers away from your face.
Eat healthy...avoid sugar and alcohol.
Comorbidities are KILLERS if you get the kung flu!
etc etc etc.
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TSgt John Brody
What is the current VAERS numbers for long term ill effects of the jab (including death)?
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SFC Michael Kinsley
MSgt Vance, I am curious where you read that troops were getting dishonorable discharges.
I also wonder the source about loosing parental rights and being jailed because of not being vaccinated.
Without seeing the articles and the sources I would have to call a big BS.
I also wonder the source about loosing parental rights and being jailed because of not being vaccinated.
Without seeing the articles and the sources I would have to call a big BS.
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