Posted on Aug 22, 2021
SFC Craig Titzkowski
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Do you think we should question orders when they are given for political posturing.
1) Wearing N95 or cloth masks in the military.
a. We all know a mask that prevents aerosol spread diseases or chemicals you must use a fitted mask. (N95 and cloth mask don't provide any protection)
2) Freedom of medical choice for the least effected by Corvid-19.
a. Military personnel just happen to be some of the most fit people in our population.
I would just like to know why we are not asking the tough questions and demanding our leadership explain with facts why without using an answer our commander and Chief has ordered it. I always have know at any level you can ask and demand proof of reason behind an order that's why we have the best military we all have each other to answer to and for. Let me know what you think?
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CW3 Kevin Storm
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Ok the N-95 is an effective tool for what it is designed for. Cloth masks...I have answered this one a bizzillion times over: Go to google and type in Efficacy of Cloth Masks for COVID-19. You will find numerous medical studies from the British Lancet, JAMA, NLM, and so on. All of these are are peer reviewed studies, and most review 20-50 studies (I think the Lancet reviewed 160 studies) All of them pretty much come to the same conclusion: How the mask is worn, quality and thread count of the material in question were the two basic things that keep coming back. So I hope that help alleviate that concern. Next the vaccine: Pizer is on the verge of FDA Approval, that should put that one to bed soon enough. I suspect that Moderna won't be far behind. Also go back to the Continental Army, George Washington eventually had to order troops to be variolated (noticed I did not say vaccinated as Jenner would not find out that vaccinia would protect people from Small Pox for years to come), meaning they were exposed to the live Small Pox virus. Notice history doesn't show that there was a revolt against Washington.
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SMSgt Bob W.
SMSgt Bob W.
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Kevin, thank you. You are on point. Some people are just stubborn, "bull headed" and want to cry "wolf" over anything what displeases them [especially on social media].
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SFC Craig Titzkowski
SFC Craig Titzkowski
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Small pox different just like polio and others Covid is closer to a few than small pox. the disease is spread by aerosol. Thread count restricts breathing. google doesn't always have the right answer. Things have been politicized and profit margins are being looked at
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
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Here I thought this was a legitimate question - but nope.

Just because you don't agree with an order doesn't make it unlawful. In fact, there are plenty of laws that are considered immoral, unethical or unjust but they're still legal. Until you amend a law, then that thing you disagree with is going to remain legal and a legal order.

1. Face masks, combined with other preventive measures, will help slow the spread of any virus. Not just covid-19.

2. Military personnel are not some of the most fit people in our population. I was in better shape before I joined the Army 17 years ago than I am now. The Army has not only broken me down but due to the antiquated ABCP requirements, pretty sure I have an eating disorder along with many, many other soldiers. So I would definitely not say we have some of the "most fit" in the US population. Also, let's add in that covid has been taking out healthy, young people with no prior health issues, especially with the delta variant. Kids are being hospitalized more than a year ago.

There's plenty of information out there that explains why the choices were made medically. Now that the vaccine is mandatory, it's like every other shot we get. Did you question every other vaccine you've ever gotten? Also with covid it's not JUST about YOU. You might not get sick from it - but people you come in contact can. Or you can transmit it to them and what about if they have high risk dependents? Or they are high risk?

This is the problem in this country. Everyone is just all "me, me, me" and you aren't worried about anyone else.

I can't wait to see the people who try to find an exemption for this who don't have a legitimate reason not to get it.
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CW3 Kevin Storm
CW3 Kevin Storm
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Spot on SFC Kelly Fuerhoff!
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SPC David Roberts
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If the Army wanted you to have freedom of choice, they would have issued you some.

I agree that the effectiveness of cloth masks is questionable, but requiring troops to wear masks doesn't get anywhere near unlawful order territory. I think we all know why they're requiring these things: part to look like they're doing something, part for CYA in case someone gets sick, and part just in case they actually help people avoid the disease. Not much point in risking angry superiors by questioning those orders. When I was in the Army, I thought that a cap with a bill that kept the sun out of my eyes made a lot more sense than wearing a silly beret, but I wore one anyway.

Vaccines that the brass thought would be useful have long been required. When I processed into the Army, they shot a bunch of things in my arm. I had no idea what they were, and I wasn't in any position to ask (especially with a drill sergeant in the room). If the military can make a good case that a vaccine will improve military effectiveness without hurting more people than it helps, then they can order it. After all, the President can order you without a moment's notice to go into an extremely dangerous situation where people are trying to kill you. We agreed to that when we raised our hands at the enlistment ceremony.

These orders are coming from way up the chain of command. Who are you going to question? The Secretary of Defense? The President? If you make a big deal about it with any of the superiors you actually have access too, they'll just think you're a whiner and not a team player, even if they agree with your points.

You're an SFC. Why not save your capital with your leaders to go to bat for your troops in situations where your input can make a difference.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
MAJ Byron Oyler
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Well said.
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